INTJ - Yay!

(12-04-2013 2:49 PM)dexter Wrote:  I've done a little more research in the nuerological side of people and think there is a key to helping understand pheromones and how they effect people differently.

The book I've just read is:
"Nueroscience of Personality: Brain Savvy Insights For all Types of People" by Dario Nardi, Ph.D.

In this book is observations from EEG (Electro Encephelo Graph) that have been broken down by MBTI personality type. There is a huge correlation between personality types and what parts of your brain are active.

What I want to get out of this is to find how to "MANIPULATE" by activating the brain portion that controls this or that.

I think some of this can be done thru pheromone exposure.

Nardi has found 16 different regions that can be measured by EEG, only the surface of the brain is measured with EEG, not deeper electrical interactions, just the ones near the surface. These regions and the patterns in which they are used can show what MBTI group a person falls into, and vice versa.

Nardi also gives some examples on how to get people energized by playing to their brain patterns.

What I think is very possible is that certain pheromones will trigger the brain to start working in a certain way.

1. There are 8 Jungian thought processes. So a person could be using any of these thought processes when first exposed to 'mones.

2. 'Mones exposure could start a thought process transition. An internal chemical reaction could activate a part of the brain that wasn't usually activated in the persons current situation/environment.

3. The person starts thinking with a different part of their brain, not knowing they are doing it, and looking at the situation they are in "thru a different lens".

4. So.... Seeing the change.
Different MBTI personality types use different cognitive processes to different degrees of proficiency. If you activate a part of the brain that the particular type uses regularly, you may not see much of a change. It may seem like you turned on part of the brain that was already on, and nothing happened. But if you turn on part of the brain that is rarely used by a personality type, then you would expect to see a much larger difference in their personality and behavior. Because all of a sudden they are thinking with that piece that they left all dusty in the back corner.

5. Limiting effects.
As well as turning on certain parts of the brain, 'mones could turn them off. This could have even greater capacity for creating noticeable differences in peoples behavior. When you turn something on, it doesn't prevent other processes from happening as normal, like having 2 cooks in the kitchen instead of 1. But reducing the processes that can take place would be huge, like switching from 1 cook in the kitchen to 0 cooks in the kitchen, big big difference.

6. Importance of personality type with Pheromone exposure. If you know the personality type of the person whom you use 'mones around. You can look in this book to see the parts of the brain that are most often used. Then you can make guesses and conjugate thoughts that will let you see what things can be "turned on" or "turned off". This will help to let you anticipate what changes to look for.

As always, just my 2cents.

INFJ here. *highfive* to all the Ni dominants!

I'm interested in looking into how my reactions on mones are since my inferior function is Extroverted Sensing. It's a love hate relationship for me and when I've done tests for which processes I'm using the most, the sensing ones always come last or almost not used. Ni/Ne is top most used. I tested 85% Introverted and 95% Intuitive. Yet I create graphics for a living which requires great sensing skill. I always tend to see through everybody's persona as well, takes me about 30 seconds to figure most peoples motives out. So at some point I need to test this out with myself.

(12-12-2013 2:10 PM)_alex_ Wrote:  INFJ here. *highfive* to all the Ni dominants!

I'm interested in looking into how my reactions on mones are since my inferior function is Extroverted Sensing. It's a love hate relationship for me and when I've done tests for which processes I'm using the most, the sensing ones always come last or almost not used. Ni/Ne is top most used. I tested 85% Introverted and 95% Intuitive. Yet I create graphics for a living which requires great sensing skill. I always tend to see through everybody's persona as well, takes me about 30 seconds to figure most peoples motives out. So at some point I need to test this out with myself.

I feel your pain alex. I'm ENFP (Ne dominant) and one of the funny things about my type is that until physical sensation is extreme I tend to not notice it. This explains some of my not feeling the self effects of 'mones as much as other types.

The flip side is that while self-effects may not be as noticeable while using my Ne dominant thought processes, it may be more noticeable if I use my 2nd Fi, or 3rd The Edge cognitive processes. I sure don't know how to switch my 'mindset' yet. And from the book above by Nardi, it seems that N types "Christmas tree" the use of their brains, bouncing around between the 16 regions of the encephala rather than the more steady activity in a few regions that other cognitive processes employ. I think i need to find some sort of EEG to plug into my computers USB and see what i do when i think, maybe i could develop my S type skills.

(01-06-2014 6:47 PM)dexter Wrote:  I feel your pain alex. I'm ENFP (Ne dominant) and one of the funny things about my type is that until physical sensation is extreme I tend to not notice it. This explains some of my not feeling the self effects of 'mones as much as other types.

The flip side is that while self-effects may not be as noticeable while using my Ne dominant thought processes, it may be more noticeable if I use my 2nd Fi, or 3rd The Edge cognitive processes. I sure don't know how to switch my 'mindset' yet. And from the book above by Nardi, it seems that N types "Christmas tree" the use of their brains, bouncing around between the 16 regions of the encephala rather than the more steady activity in a few regions that other cognitive processes employ. I think i need to find some sort of EEG to plug into my computers USB and see what i do when i think, maybe i could develop my S type skills.

Yeah I'm exactly the same, but my extreme threshold is a lot lower then other people, I'm an HSP (http://www.hsperson.com). I don't notice self effects a lot until they become negative and then I can't stop noticing them. Ne is the second most used function for me besides Ni, I did a cognitive profile test. Mones tend to affect me as if they where an external source which often gives me side effects in high doses. I can't seem to be able to separate my own signature from others and seem to be highly sensitive against alpha mones (have to use them on wrists only). I guess it all boils down to inferior sensing functions.

i read in Terence Duniho's book "Wellness vs. Neurotic Styles - Holistic or Monomanic Use of the 4 Functions"
that in determining someone's MBTI type that if the dominant (1st) Function is Extraverted (E) there is a possibility for them to develop their 3rd Cognitive function more because they like extraverted stuff. This gives rise to them acting and testing like another type.

I am often feeling like I am both ENFP and ENTP, but with the criteria in Hartzler's book, "Functions of Type" I prefer Ti over The Edge, My Fe and Fi are ambiguous, this makes me wonder if I'm one of those who Duniho says are Addicted to Extroversion and develop their 3rd Function which would be an E like their 1st Function.

I'm an ENFP by testing, either an ENFP or ENTP by reading Keirsey's chapters in "Please Understand Me II", I exhibit the defense mechanisms of both the NF and NT in Delunas' book, "Survival Games Personalities Play". But with my Preference for Ti over The Edge it says that an ENTP might fit me if I account for the overdeveloped 3rd funcrion due to liking extroversion.

USUAL
ENFP - Ne-Fi-The Edge-Si
ENTP - Ne-Ti-Fe-Si

INTP here.I didn't see anyone else in the pages I've read.Am I alone?

(01-14-2014 3:18 PM)stefdude Wrote:  INTP here.I didn't see anyone else in the pages I've read.Am I alone?

Possibly, but not likely. Not everyone has taken the test, and even with taking the test, not everyone takes the test correctly. Sometimes personal bias or relying on a single example to base your answers to the test will be enough to swing your answer one way or the other. When taking the test, you shouldn't base your answers on past experiences where there was a right and wrong way to react. You should think of instances where there weren't consequences if you acted one way or the other, and then determine which way you prefer. There is a mindset to taking the test that many people don't understand. Another trick in taking the test is the mistake that people make of trying to answer the questions "correctly", and that may mean answering them like they think somebody else would answer them. There is no right/wrong.

There may be many mis-diagnosed INTP's in here, or you may think you are an INTP but mis-diagnosed. Or you may be an INTP.

This link is my effort to show the 8 Jungian processes, with their examples.
http://pherotruth.org/Thread-8-Jungian-C...-Processes

(01-14-2014 3:38 PM)dexter Wrote:  Possibly, but not likely. Not everyone has taken the test, and even with taking the test, not everyone takes the test correctly. Sometimes personal bias or relying on a single example to base your answers to the test will be enough to swing your answer one way or the other. When taking the test, you shouldn't base your answers on past experiences where there was a right and wrong way to react. You should think of instances where there weren't consequences if you acted one way or the other, and then determine which way you prefer. There is a mindset to taking the test that many people don't understand. Another trick in taking the test is the mistake that people make of trying to answer the questions "correctly", and that may mean answering them like they think somebody else would answer them. There is no right/wrong.

There may be many mis-diagnosed INTP's in here, or you may think you are an INTP but mis-diagnosed. Or you may be an INTP.

This link is my effort to show the 8 Jungian processes, with their examples.
http://pherotruth.org/Thread-8-Jungian-C...-Processes

Yeah I meant within the people taken the test.
I've taken the test 3 times and the personality description is 19/20 me.I'm sure I did it with the right mindset, the first time was the hardest as the questions seemed general and sometimes like I could give 2 answers, one based on incidents of my past and one based on my way of thinking/behaving.I chose the second.


Edit: Very interesting link.I may buy the book.

This is a duplicate of a post I made to Thenns in his Xist thread, it is better place here.

Thenns,
you need to take that MBTI test, and have your wife take it too. Tell her that you are trying to figure out how you can better communicate to her that you love her. I have found that when my wife is stressed she will snap at me about the next thing that might annoy her. If i try to fix that 1 thing that annoys her it does no good. It was the other 5 things that are on her mind that are stressing her out, and no matter what I do it is just irritating to somebody who has a heavy burden of 5 stressful things on her mind.

Try asking her what might be stressing her, then ask what else might be stressing her, and what else...

This approach has helped me diffuse a few situations after I read a book about it .

Also with the MBTI thing. The book "Please understand me II" by Kiersey tells how different personality types need different things to feel good. The chart on page 62 has a list that show what is important to each type.

the following categories are what will cause stress when they feel that they are in jeopardy of maintaining their Self Image:

Self-Image [ for: Artisan - Gaurdian - Idealist - Rational ]
Self-Esteem - Artistic - Dependable - Empathic - Ingenious

Self-Respect - Audacious - Beneficent - Benevolent - Autonomous

Self-Confidence - Adaptable - Respectable - Authentic - Resolute

As you can see, the idealist category will yearn for romance and prize recognition. If you are in a different category, you will not understand how these needs are met in the same way as your wife. [see image below, or chart on p62 of book].