Did you come to this forum with honest intentions and they changed when you saw their light? Or did you come here with an agenda? What do you hope to achieve zingers, why don't you go to a cooking forum and tell them they should stop putting butter in their food or they will get fat, just be sure and ask them for a few recipes first.

(06-16-2015 3:13 AM)zingers Wrote:  ...
Most of the things comparable to using pheromones to - be it a nice suit, car, makeup, cologne, education, etc - these are not as underhanded/less than honest as pheromones are... It's something that people would snicker about, if one were to be found out.

Do your significant others know that you are a pheromone user? ...

It's obvious you've either not read my reply or failed to understand what's in it.

Part of my mone collection is in my bathroom, in the open light for my gf to see. We discussed mones when I got my samples from love potion and told her that some of those vials have mones. Since then I have been leaving bottles out of my mone bag, resting amongst my perfumes. You may or may not opt to tell people, what difference does it make? You don't tell other people that you wear cologne, or that you had a plastic surgery or that you wear a wig.
This polemic is groundless..

M.

One of the girls I've been seeing, I gave some Love Potion scents to and discussed that I had a few with mones in them. I have shared some samples with friends, and even picked up some for my bisexual best friend to help her with women. It's not something that has to be kept secret.

For the record, and I believe I've stated this elsewhere in the forum, Mom knows that I use mones. I get her to occasionally take a good whiff out of the bottle or on my skin and give me her thoughts on the scent package.

Is it moral and ethical to use a Lamborghini or a fancy yacht that make girls ask or beg you to take them for a drive?
Is it moral or ethical that girls use shit loads or makeup, botox and other medical procedures to lure a man into buying her a ring?
A fake boobs ethical or moral because they make you just stare at them?
WTF is moral or ethical anyway?

Okay, lets settle this! There is nothing that anyone can buy or make that is immoral or unethical because inanimate objects are not conscious entities. The morality and/or ethics behind pheromone use is in the person wearing them, and if the intent is unethical or immoral the pheromones are probably just a small factor in a pattern of immoral or unethical behavior.

And, unlike most things we buy or do to improve ourselves and our standing in society, pheromones are something we produce naturally but wash away due to our unnatural personal hygiene standards. So, a more appropriate question may be: Is it immoral or unethical to wash away chemo-sensory signals that nature intended us to have?

Let's go through a little thought exercise here. I understand where people are coming from when they think mones are unethical, because it wasn't until recently that I started reading up on them and understanding their limitations. It's uncomfortable, dealing with the idea that there might be something you can't consciously perceive that is influencing how you feel about a person, and that someone might be able to control that through chemical means. However, we all know that mones aren't some magic airborne roofie in a bottle, it's just amplifying or modifying your natural signature.

Now here's what I'm thinking. Do chronic illnesses effect your natural mone production? I've seen someone claim so in this forum, never seen a study about it but it stands to reason that it does. I have End Stage Renal Disease. It's hard, practically impossible to tell if I'm wearing clothes, but I'm a not a healthy guy. Am I putting off a sub-conscious cloud that says "SICK MAN POOR FATHER MATERIAL STAY AWAY" that is just repelling women? Sometimes it feels that way. Do I deserve to at least try to live a normal life? I'll bet if you ask women if they would be willing to date someone with a chronic but not terminal illness, they would say yes, but is there something they're not even aware of that is preventing them from feeling that initial attraction in the first place? I don't know, but maybe it's worth a shot.

(06-16-2015 7:18 AM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  And, unlike most things we buy or do to improve ourselves and our standing in society, pheromones are something we produce naturally but wash away due to our unnatural personal hygiene standards. So, a more appropriate question may be: Is it immoral or unethical to wash away chemo-sensory signals that nature intended us to have?

Indeed Nature doesn't know about morality, only knows about purpose.

phero hacker: I'm just going to ignore what you said.

kimosabe: I have read and understod your point perfectly. Having said that, the power in withholding information may not always be possible on a long enough time line.

To those of you who's sharing your pheromone usage openly with others, I admire your sense of transparency. I am unsure if I would share it with anyone, perhaps when I am all said and done with it, I may vouch for its effectiveness in a passive conversation.