I can't wait. Product pages are over rated! I've been looking for an excuse to try AV gel and Na gel and this may be the time! OD has certainly kept me guessing, but definitely seems to be one of my more consistent product. I like when Garry does launches because he makes a lot of gems and always gives us what we don't ask for but need. I passed on Hypnotica but after picking it up from a member, I'm pretty sold!

(06-07-2016 2:16 PM)theLaw Wrote:  This is odd.........I don't smell anything unpleasant with Kane, but given the excellent fragrances of BW and Voodoo, perhaps unscented can seem inferior.

Do you smell Androstenone? I do, and it is quite strong. I've gotten some negative comments about it, too. It's almost impossible to cover because a cover scent decreases in effectiveness while a gel does not.

(06-07-2016 7:46 PM)NP17 Wrote:  Do you smell Androstenone? I do, and it is quite strong. I've gotten some negative comments about it, too. It's almost impossible to cover because a cover scent decreases in effectiveness while a gel does not.

I do smell the Androstenone, but it's more neutral to me than negative.

Wonder what they think it smells like?

I know that cops can smell like piss or bo, but this is much more subtle......more like a chemical odor.

I can't smell pheromones in general (XS products smell like pure alcohol, unscented AV smells nice, cops smells funky). However, I noticed that when I apply OD, I get whiffs of body odor; as if someone hasn't showered.

(06-06-2016 11:00 PM)KoiBecomeDragon Wrote:  I take it you aren't a big fan of the gels? I like them, myself.

Gels rock!


Yeah IMHO - wish I would see more of it.
Gels are the bomb. Fast diffusion of spray with control of an oil. No risk to accidental inhalation. Most portable.
Oils - sweet control, long lasting, precise application, nice predictable heat diffusion mostly. Leaky. Not as portable. Seem to last longer in storage and on.
Spray - Quick projection in some cases, others heat needed. More portable. Seem to spoil.

Not a cosmetics guy but have my DSM type fears - is the propellant/solution going to allow this stuff to go straight past the liver and who knows where? All I know is sprays mess me up if I don't hold my breath. Straight into the bloodstream via the eyes nose, etc.

Gels seem to require a good amount of heat to work at their best. This can be a major disadvantage in cold weather. I'm still curious if there wouldn't be some way to add a scent package to a gel-based product to assist with diffusion. Sylvamber + gels could make for an extremely effective product regardless of environmental conditions.

(06-08-2016 8:07 AM)ShadowX114 Wrote:  I can't smell pheromones in general (XS products smell like pure alcohol, unscented AV smells nice, cops smells funky). However, I noticed that when I apply OD, I get whiffs of body odor; as if someone hasn't showered.

One word,Ascend spray.Can't tolerate that smell.You need some really good cover.

(06-09-2016 6:47 PM)jb20 Wrote:  One word,Ascend spray.Can't tolerate that smell.You need some really good cover.

Ascend definitely reeks upon first application. It dries down nicely though. Not completely imperceptible, but it is tolerable. A cover scent would still be advisable.

I had ascend in oud. It gave me headache even with one spray and the oud scent was very strong, it became annoying. I sold it. But it's true that oud was a really good cover up.

He's apparently waiting on label design to be finalized and then printing. I have no idea how long that would even take.