(01-23-2013 6:37 PM)ryusei Wrote:  A lot of people have said that cohesion gets better results than pure Androstadienone , which I think I can agree to, plus the owner steve is just awesome . I am 29 and I live in Taiwan though I am in the states temporarily for some family business.

For me personally AV gets me strong hits from women 30+, <30 its hit or miss really and for <30 is where Nude Alpha shines because the yougner girls like it better. You could try 2 drops or even 1 drop with glace and Androstadienone , you'll just have to test it really it depends on your personal body chemistry. My main targets are usually Taiwanese people (and NO they are NOT just Chinese with a different passport, and yes I feel strongly about this =p)

Well lets see the first time I wore Nude Alpha EVER, I walked out the door and as I was waiting to cross the street a girl with her bf walked by, the girl couldn't help but keep turning her head to look at me, same thing happened while I was waiting for the bus at a bus station, girls couldnt help me turn their heads/stare at me it proved to me that all this shit works

edit: oh yeah make sure to say you want nude alpha in wolf scent in the comment when you do order it, wolf scent is awesome!

Hmm....ok so you're 29, Taiwanese (I'm not guna get into the whole ethnic thing hahaha I saw the whole thing on another threat I was like wow...) And you feel that Cohesion works better for even you than just Androstadienone alone? I'm assuming Cohesion has Androstadienone in it then? I thought I read on here somewhere that its illegal to put Androstadienone in a mix or something?

The thing with pheromones that everyone is recommending like AV, NA, Wolf, New Pheromone Additive, etc. etc. etc. is that I've been testing AV at different drops for about 10 days now on and off...and I really don't see any results. Why do you think this is? Perhaps it's too intimidating? So am I ghosting? But its not like people ignore me either....and I'm not sure if you understand me culturally when I say this, but Korean girls are typically very shy and conservative, especially the ones that are not Americanized (which is the majority of the ladies that hang around in ktown nyc). Now, I'm not saying they're not wild or they are not loud and whatever around people they know very well or comfortable with, but perhaps like to a stranger like me, AV is too intimidating for them to even say anything??

But anyway, it seems for you that AV does great with women 30 and over, but for girls in their 20's, it's a hit or miss huh? But you also said that Nude Alpha works great for girls in their 20's?

I guess I will try that then. I only have enough extra cash to buy one of two more products, depending on the price, and LAL seems to be kind of pricey compared to others. So should I get Nude Alpha, Cohesion, or even Nude??? I didn't respond yet, but Terry also seems to have written something under your post about how Nude + a tad bit of AV could work well too?? Have you tried this combo yet?

Awesome on your experience that you shared btw with Nude Alpha. Didn't you feel weird when girls were just looking at you at the bus stops?? haha....But do you have any situation where you actually interacted with girls wearing Nude Alpha? Like in a bar/club/restaurant setting?

(01-23-2013 8:45 PM)terry0400-40 Wrote:  Its good to see ryusei helping you through this as he is pretty well on the money,

also here is another option, use NUDE alone and then you have the option of spicing it up just a tad "if necessary" with a small dab of AV and this will make up for the Androstenone component that you would have obtained if you had ordered NUDE Alpha, i say this because i have used NUDE alone and the attraction hits with it from from the younger women was excellent so good in fact that i used it every day for 2 weeks until i ran out and then i got more in, therefore in my opinion you really can not go wrong with NUDE as it is a great proven social and i found it as friendly as anything.

If you get the NUDE Alpha then you still will be under the influence of AndrostEnone and even though a minor amount it may not be satisfactory because with each drop of NA applied the AndrostEnone content is amped up and this is not exactly what you need if say you need to use 4 drops to obtain the desired social attraction effects for instance, and with just using NUDE you can certainly use 1-5 drops without ghosting at all its a no worry product is NUDE and in my opinion it is under rated....

Myself being on the board of administration of Pherotruth i do not think it prudent to choose one vendors products over another and that is why the admin usually keep our product reps to a minimum however seeing as the subject of LAL products is already tabled i have just commented on my opinions regarding your choices, there are other brand products available that i consider to also be as effective as NUDE and had this post been concerning these then i may have also made comments as the choice of one of these.... meaning that i personally do not favor any one vendor over another...

Once again no matter what the senario you are not going to need a whole lot of added AndrostEnone, and if you do need to heat the NUDE app up just slightly then a slight addition of AV onto your NUDE app is not going to be sufficient to throw the configuration of the NUDE formulation out the window.

Terry,

thank you for replying sir. One thing I wanted to mention to you, is that in my past post here somewhere on this thread, I remember mentioning that one night I went out with a friend of mine that I had romantic history with in the past. I had on AV and Glace, then applied dabs of Nude later a few hours. But I remember some of the members were saying that I shouldn't have mixed the strong AV with the Nude, although Glace would've been ok I guess?? I think it was Fly So Hi that said this...and I was like ohh better not use that combo again because I thought it was a big no no to combine those together. Now, also, I've been researching online and also reading LAL's sight, and it seems that Nude Alpha was actually made so that older men and Asian men could benefit from using it, so it seems that perhaps Nude Alpha is really a version that seems to work for Asian guys....

You have been on here much longer than me and you're an Administrator so I know your opinions and such could be limited here, but do you think you could put in some feedback on what you think about the statement I made above?

Also, another issue is money. I need to find a mix that's going to work for me soon!!! I have lotss of events like birthdays, bachelor parties, etc coming up the next month or so haha....so I have enough money for 1 or possibly 2 products. So far, I'm thinking either Nude Alpha, Cohesion (which I don't know what that is and who or where sells it), and now after what you said, terry, Nude regular.

I have Nude regular in a sample vial, but I read somewhere that I would have to put a lottt of it from the sample vial to see some decent results. True or no? I tried to dab like 3 flips onto my finger on after 2 drops of AV and Glace the last time I posted about it. And Androstadienone....this seems to be everyone's favorite for some reason, although shouldnt be applied alone by itself. But I don't see what it really does! haha...does it just magnify the effects of the other Pheromones?? I put on 3 drops of the 5mG 10mL bottle from LAL which I think totals 30 mcg's. Is that too little? Should I increase to 5 or 6 drops?

(01-23-2013 11:10 PM)yj404 Wrote:  Terry,

thank you for replying sir. One thing I wanted to mention to you, is that in my past post here somewhere on this thread, I remember mentioning that one night I went out with a friend of mine that I had romantic history with in the past. I had on AV and Glace, then applied dabs of Nude later a few hours. But I remember some of the members were saying that I shouldn't have mixed the strong AV with the Nude, although Glace would've been ok I guess?? I think it was Fly So Hi that said this...and I was like ohh better not use that combo again because I thought it was a big no no to combine those together. Now, also, I've been researching online and also reading LAL's sight, and it seems that Nude Alpha was actually made so that older men and Asian men could benefit from using it, so it seems that perhaps Nude Alpha is really a version that seems to work for Asian guys....

You have been on here much longer than me and you're an Administrator so I know your opinions and such could be limited here, but do you think you could put in some feedback on what you think about the statement I made above?

Also, another issue is money. I need to find a mix that's going to work for me soon!!! I have lotss of events like birthdays, bachelor parties, etc coming up the next month or so haha....so I have enough money for 1 or possibly 2 products. So far, I'm thinking either Nude Alpha, Cohesion (which I don't know what that is and who or where sells it), and now after what you said, terry, Nude regular.

I have Nude regular in a sample vial, but I read somewhere that I would have to put a lottt of it from the sample vial to see some decent results. True or no? I tried to dab like 3 flips onto my finger on after 2 drops of AV and Glace the last time I posted about it. And Androstadienone....this seems to be everyone's favorite for some reason, although shouldnt be applied alone by itself. But I don't see what it really does! haha...does it just magnify the effects of the other Pheromones?? I put on 3 drops of the 5mG 10mL bottle from LAL which I think totals 30 mcg's. Is that too little? Should I increase to 5 or 6 drops?

I was thinking to save you some money because if the NA did turn out to be too Alpha for you then you would have been stuck with 2 Alpha products, therefore in choosing NUDE you would have a product that is a great social attractant, and considering that you already have AV then it would have been simple to add a dab or a drop AV to your NUDE application, say a ratio of 1 AV to 6 NUDE thus making 7 drops this is workable as it would not compromise the structure of the NUDE components and you could use around 3-5 drops of this mix if you needed a light Alpha application and still retain the social aspects of the NUDE... if you can get my drift.

I have AV and NUDE side by side and often i will just add a dab of AV to my NUDE app and it works just fine for me sorta like Wolf in a way.

Anyway by all means go for your NUDE Alpha if the other Asian guys swear by it then it should work for you, i was just under the impression that you did not want to go too Alpha for your choice of targets thats all, and i was thinking of saving you a dollar and at the same time showing you how to utilise the AV you had rather than let it gather dust. ok cheers

(01-23-2013 10:56 PM)yj404 Wrote:  Hmm....ok so you're 29, Taiwanese (I'm not guna get into the whole ethnic thing hahaha I saw the whole thing on another threat I was like wow...) And you feel that Cohesion works better for even you than just Androstadienone alone? I'm assuming Cohesion has Androstadienone in it then? I thought I read on here somewhere that its illegal to put Androstadienone in a mix or something?

The thing with pheromones that everyone is recommending like AV, NA, Wolf, New Pheromone Additive, etc. etc. etc. is that I've been testing AV at different drops for about 10 days now on and off...and I really don't see any results. Why do you think this is? Perhaps it's too intimidating? So am I ghosting? But its not like people ignore me either....and I'm not sure if you understand me culturally when I say this, but Korean girls are typically very shy and conservative, especially the ones that are not Americanized (which is the majority of the ladies that hang around in ktown nyc). Now, I'm not saying they're not wild or they are not loud and whatever around people they know very well or comfortable with, but perhaps like to a stranger like me, AV is too intimidating for them to even say anything??

But anyway, it seems for you that AV does great with women 30 and over, but for girls in their 20's, it's a hit or miss huh? But you also said that Nude Alpha works great for girls in their 20's?

I guess I will try that then. I only have enough extra cash to buy one of two more products, depending on the price, and LAL seems to be kind of pricey compared to others. So should I get Nude Alpha, Cohesion, or even Nude??? I didn't respond yet, but Terry also seems to have written something under your post about how Nude + a tad bit of AV could work well too?? Have you tried this combo yet?

Awesome on your experience that you shared btw with Nude Alpha. Didn't you feel weird when girls were just looking at you at the bus stops?? haha....But do you have any situation where you actually interacted with girls wearing Nude Alpha? Like in a bar/club/restaurant setting?

Yeah Cohesion is mainly Androstadienone but it has some other components that make it better, steves products are just magic ime :]. Now terry is suggesting you to buy nude because you already have av which is a fine suggestion, but personally I would try to get cohesion and NA and wear those together potentially with AV, I don't go out to clubs that much but I do frequently visit bars and I'll tell you an awesome experience I had using both NA AND AV together, with cohesion, I don't share all my experiences but to help you I will share one.

My dosage was 1 drop of AV with 2 drops of NA and about 3 sprays of Cohesion (comfort is so key for girls!). Went to a bar and started talking to some girls after a few minutes one of them dragged me to the dance floor and within 2 minutes of dancing we just start making out and later on she ended up going home with me for all night - early morning session, it was awesome! The problem with AV when worn by itself for me is, I have to be on top of my game and leading all the way, and it really doesn't help when my game is rubbish to non-existant, lol, with NA its more relaxed and social while still being sexual, AV worked much better for me after I paired it in a small dose like 1 drop with NA only after discussing combos with another forum member, and cohesion is just money, im sure other members will chime in and you can make the decision for yourself ;]

(01-24-2013 2:28 AM)terry0400-40 Wrote:  I was thinking to save you some money because if the NA did turn out to be too Alpha for you then you would have been stuck with 2 Alpha products, therefore in choosing NUDE you would have a product that is a great social attractant, and considering that you already have AV then it would have been simple to add a dab or a drop AV to your NUDE application, say a ratio of 1 AV to 6 NUDE thus making 7 drops this is workable as it would not compromise the structure of the NUDE components and you could use around 3-5 drops of this mix if you needed a light Alpha application and still retain the social aspects of the NUDE... if you can get my drift.

I have AV and NUDE side by side and often i will just add a dab of AV to my NUDE app and it works just fine for me sorta like Wolf in a way.

Anyway by all means go for your NUDE Alpha if the other Asian guys swear by it then it should work for you, i was just under the impression that you did not want to go too Alpha for your choice of targets thats all, and i was thinking of saving you a dollar and at the same time showing you how to utilise the AV you had rather than let it gather dust. ok cheers

Terry,

Thank you for your advice and suggestions. I'm in a dilemma so I need to get in my thinking chair and ponder about this for a while haha....I do have a sample vial of Nude regular. I think I may try experimenting with that first. How many dabs from the sample vial do you think would be effective for regular dosage? And I'm going to try combining with a drop or 2 of AV like you suggested....

But what you said does totally make sense....I hope to try to experiment...and thank you for all your suggestions and efforts to save me money God knows I need it lol...

How about Cohesion? Have you tried or heard of results from that? I was told Cohesion has ANdrostadienone in it, but I thought that wasn't allowed? Isn't that why LAL Alpha Dream and all the other sellers sell the Androstadienone separately as a single molecule? So confused here...

(01-24-2013 12:56 PM)ryusei Wrote:  Yeah Cohesion is mainly Androstadienone but it has some other components that make it better, steves products are just magic ime :]. Now terry is suggesting you to buy nude because you already have av which is a fine suggestion, but personally I would try to get cohesion and NA and wear those together potentially with AV, I don't go out to clubs that much but I do frequently visit bars and I'll tell you an awesome experience I had using both NA AND AV together, with cohesion, I don't share all my experiences but to help you I will share one.

My dosage was 1 drop of AV with 2 drops of NA and about 3 sprays of Cohesion (comfort is so key for girls!). Went to a bar and started talking to some girls after a few minutes one of them dragged me to the dance floor and within 2 minutes of dancing we just start making out and later on she ended up going home with me for all night - early morning session, it was awesome! The problem with AV when worn by itself for me is, I have to be on top of my game and leading all the way, and it really doesn't help when my game is rubbish to non-existant, lol, with NA its more relaxed and social while still being sexual, AV worked much better for me after I paired it in a small dose like 1 drop with NA only after discussing combos with another forum member, and cohesion is just money, im sure other members will chime in and you can make the decision for yourself ;]

You have PM! Check and reply please. I have a few questions about Cohesion and whether drops or sprays are better, dosages, etc. Thanks!

(01-24-2013 7:12 PM)yj404 Wrote:  Terry,

Thank you for your advice and suggestions. I'm in a dilemma so I need to get in my thinking chair and ponder about this for a while haha....I do have a sample vial of Nude regular. I think I may try experimenting with that first. How many dabs from the sample vial do you think would be effective for regular dosage? And I'm going to try combining with a drop or 2 of AV like you suggested....

But what you said does totally make sense....I hope to try to experiment...and thank you for all your suggestions and efforts to save me money God knows I need it lol...

How about Cohesion? Have you tried or heard of results from that? I was told Cohesion has ANdrostadienone in it, but I thought that wasn't allowed? Isn't that why LAL Alpha Dream and all the other sellers sell the Androstadienone separately as a single molecule? So confused here...

Way back when i first experimented with NUDE i was using far too much and and of course i did see no results and so i sent nearly all of it off to a friend, and then one day i was out driving and decided to use 4-5 drops of the remaining NUDE that i had stored in the car console, i was blown out by the amount of attraction hits that i received that day and i continued on using NUDE for the next two weeks until it ran dry, and i then ordered more... if i was you i would try it out at 3-4 drops, i hope it works as good for you as it did for me.

If your going to try NUDE and desire to experience it with an alpha punch then try it at 3-4 drops with a dab or one drop AV.

Yes i also have Cohesion-XS in oil and it works good as a softener, for me it seems a good reviver for girls experiencing their monthly blues, and also for older cougars, i try and save mine for close intimate target contacts as for me it does not work as a general attractant on happy gregarious young women but it certainly smooths out contact with moody girls and those at the dread time of their cycle, although as a general daily attractant i do not use it, its too expensive for me to use every day, although it is as good as gold on my chosen target areas and works like magic.

I think the patent issue with incorporating Androstadienone into formulations is that it constitutes a breach of patient only when used in products that contain added fragrance and therefore it may be used in non fragrance formulas.

(01-24-2013 7:54 PM)terry0400-40 Wrote:  Way back when i first experimented with NUDE i was using far too much and and of course i did see no results and so i sent nearly all of it off to a friend, and then one day i was out driving and decided to use 4-5 drops of the remaining NUDE that i had stored in the car console, i was blown out by the amount of attraction hits that i received that day and i continued on using NUDE for the next two weeks until it ran dry, and i then ordered more... if i was you i would try it out at 3-4 drops, i hope it works as good for you as it did for me.

If your going to try NUDE and desire to experience it with an alpha punch then try it at 3-4 drops with a dab or one drop AV.

Yes i also have Cohesion-XS in oil and it works good as a softener, for me it seems a good reviver for girls experiencing their monthly blues, and also for older cougars, i try and save mine for close intimate target contacts as for me it does not work as a general attractant on happy gregarious young women but it certainly smooths out contact with moody girls and those at the dread time of their cycle, although as a general daily attractant i do not use it, its too expensive for me to use every day, although it is as good as gold on my chosen target areas and works like magic.

I think the patent issue with incorporating Androstadienone into formulations is that it constitutes a breach of patient only when used in products that contain added fragrance and therefore it may be used in non fragrance formulas.

Oh I see....I bet you regretted giving most of the Nude away at that point didnt you lol? But at least you found success with it...that's great!

So from your experience, do you feel cohesion works better or Androstadienone combined with Glace and/or something else works better to attract younger girls? Since I'm 26, I'm trying to attract ladies between 22-29...

I understand about the patent issue with Androstadienone, but I also think that the makers of Cohesion offer an option to add fragrance to Cohesion if the customer wants....so I guess they must've found some kind of loophole?

(01-25-2013 4:34 AM)yj404 Wrote:  Oh I see....I bet you regretted giving most of the Nude away at that point didnt you lol? But at least you found success with it...that's great!

So from your experience, do you feel cohesion works better or Androstadienone combined with Glace and/or something else works better to attract younger girls? Since I'm 26, I'm trying to attract ladies between 22-29...

I understand about the patent issue with Androstadienone, but I also think that the makers of Cohesion offer an option to add fragrance to Cohesion if the customer wants....so I guess they must've found some kind of loophole?

I did not regret the giving of the NUDE as it was sent to a phero friend in Melbourne, but you can bet i was as surprised as anything when i started receiving some quality attraction hits with it using around 4-5 drops, anyway it turned out ok cause i got another bottle in.

I am certain that my Cohesion-XS is performing better for me than Androstadienone has, it does its job when an appropriate target is exposed to its influence because it seems to also possess an element of attraction where straight Androstadienone just acted as a relaxant to any appropriate targets.

I do not use Cohesion-XS alone for the purpose of attraction because at my age i need a slightly higher AndrostEnone spike than what Cohesion-XS offers.

Using the Cohesion-XS product is great for younger guys who,s own natural AndrostEnone is percolating, and also will be ok when used in a close intimate setting with an Asian girl target.

I have not used Androstadienone and Glace combo because my stocks of these two products dried up a good while back.

I think that if you decided on going for the Nude Alpha then if i was you i would certainly splash some Cohesion-XS on the back of ur hands the wrists and of course some at shoulder height just where she will be softly placing her head as you hold her close in your care of embrace.

With the above combo just remember to go steady with the NA because in this instance less is best...

(01-25-2013 8:02 AM)terry0400-40 Wrote:  I did not regret the giving of the NUDE as it was sent to a phero friend in Melbourne, but you can bet i was as surprised as anything when i started receiving some quality attraction hits with it using around 4-5 drops, anyway it turned out ok cause i got another bottle in.

I am certain that my Cohesion-XS is performing better for me than Androstadienone has, it does its job when an appropriate target is exposed to its influence because it seems to also possess an element of attraction where straight Androstadienone just acted as a relaxant to any appropriate targets.

I do not use Cohesion-XS alone for the purpose of attraction because at my age i need a slightly higher AndrostEnone spike than what Cohesion-XS offers.

Using the Cohesion-XS product is great for younger guys who,s own natural AndrostEnone is percolating, and also will be ok when used in a close intimate setting with an Asian girl target.

I have not used Androstadienone and Glace combo because my stocks of these two products dried up a good while back.

I think that if you decided on going for the Nude Alpha then if i was you i would certainly splash some Cohesion-XS on the back of ur hands the wrists and of course some at shoulder height just where she will be softly placing her head as you hold her close in your care of embrace.

With the above combo just remember to go steady with the NA because in this instance less is best...

I see...I'm sold! haha...I emailed Steve explaining my situation and for his honest opinion. Will wait for him to reply, and heard he's an outstanding guy anyway so hopefully he will point me in the right direction.

I'm still at a dilemma between Nude and Nude Alpha....it's so hard to decide because with products like AV, NUde, NA, Wolf, etc., even Glace...some people have had wonders with them while others haven't....I currently use 2 drops of AV, 6 Glace sprays, and like 4 drops of Androstadienone (@5mg 10mL bottle from LAL)....I haven't been sold completely yet that it works wonders for me....

Tonight, if I go out, I'm thinking decrease AV to 1 drop, Use like 5-6 dabs of the Nude Sample vial I got from Garry, and then put either Glace or Glace+Androstadienone combo. Do you think this is too much?? I still haven't seen the comfort effect that's noticeable with Androstadienone either...hmm....

And btw, does Nude Alpha make such a difference compared to regular Nude??? Like even on LAL's website, Nude is advertised more of a social/slightly sexual phero, where NA is defined as something that's engineered for older men and Asian men to be a social/comfort/sexual kick as well....And the price difference is pretty big so not sure which one to go with at this point....I don't want to buy one and then have it not work for me personally, then have to return it while waiting for the other one to arrive. I usually go out on Friday or saturday nights only as of late due to my trying to finish up my college degree quickly and also working...