(03-08-2016 2:31 AM)dorfmeister Wrote:  Is there a plan for a commercial release of Apollo?

Is it a spray or oil?

Yes, there are plans for a commercial release. It's to be sold as a spray, but I may release a spray version at a later point.

(03-08-2016 11:26 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  Yes, there are plans for a commercial release. It's to be sold as a spray, but I may release a spray version at a later point.

Ecks, did you mean oil version later? ;-) Waiting with bated breath!

(03-08-2016 11:31 AM)TongRen Wrote:  Ecks, did you mean oil version later? ;-) Waiting with bated breath!

Sorry, no. The oil version comes first. The spray wil be released later. Thanks for catching that.

(03-08-2016 11:38 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  Sorry, no. The oil version comes first. The spray wil be released later. Thanks for catching that.

N/p. That's even better news, since I'm an oil fan. Waiting to send you money. :-D

Great job NP!17!

Maybe its only my issues here but I feel there is a category missing from the Alpha reviews. Level of agro'd effect.

I've had a f'ed up life and it's left me angry towards many humans. I have a short fuse for people that treat others with disrespect. While I've worked on it and I control my anger more than any other point in my life, I find that I have to add this effect on me when I'm considering an alpha product. There are some products that make me agro'd as F. Once I realize what is happening I am able to control it but there are a few times I think I have scared a few people standing my ground rather forcefully.

From worse to best, of things I've tried, IMO:

True Jerk. The first sample of any 'mones I used were from True Pheromones. I lost it on three different people at three different times. The worst being at Costco when some baby boomer cut in front of me obviously. Trust me, he was being a dick. But the way I handled it was... inappropriate. Full on, loud, in you face, aggressive trying and saying anything I could to get this guy to swing first. I've totally discontinued its use. It was scary... but did show me in a bad way that pheromones did work.

A314. I get why everyone loves this. Super alpha but for me I had a hard time controlling it. I literally got pissed at some ones inability to operate there car in a safe manor, pulled a burn out 180* in front of my bank, and then literally punched the atm when it wouldn't do what I wanted. Wasn't lack of funds but something minor like not having an account attached to the ATM card. I only use this one when I want to be intimidating... which is almost never.

Titan. While I love titan way more than A314 and I have seen some great things from it, I have had one outburst. Again, someone does something disrespectful, I don't put up with it. I feel Titan is right on that cusp for me. Once I feel the anger come up I can tell myself that its the 'mones and will die down soon. Ends outburst. With A314, I'm fucking pissed, end of story.

Wolf. I like wolf. I guess its not a true alpha, maybe, but it also has a VIP, respect aspect to it. I've had slight annoyances but completely controllable and without out bursts. I believe there is a beta-fying effect that offsets too much agro.

Tusc. I'm only adding this because NP did. Is this an alpha product? Mad respect, Zero agro. In fact, quite the opposite. I'm happy and confident. The other day I looked at a beautiful woman, she gave me that fuck off don't even try look, and I didn't care at all. Felt like damn, she's not a nice person good thing I want nothing to do with that. No anger.

Titan + Tusc. Sorry to throw a combo in here but the two times I've tried this the effects are simple spectacular. Tusc takes down the agro from Titan. Not much to repport yet but some solid solid leads.

Captain. This is the peak for me thus far. I know its called alpha-lite so maybe true alpha products are not me. Zero side effects for me. Tons of benefits that are alphaish. For me, its all the good without losing you're cool. It's not intimidating at all. With captain and Glace strangers open me all the time. Men and women. It feels like a natural, confident, controlled alpha just doing his own thing without having to show how big, tough, and intimidating they are. To me, this is alpha. Alpha isn't forcing control but just being your own, in control, man. This is captain.... the perfect name.


I think I might be naturally intimidating tho... I'm tall, intense, focused, great eye contact. I might not need a strong alpha mix. The other day I had a process server knock on my door. I joined her on the porch. She told me I was trying to bully her and be intimidating. Lol, all I did was ask her to leave. I wasn't wearing anything. Maybe this is why I like Wolf and Captain so much. No agro, more control, and softens me up some.

(03-08-2016 11:38 AM)Ekscentra Wrote:  Sorry, no. The oil version comes first. The spray wil be released later. Thanks for catching that.

I like oil better anyway.

Any thoughts about scents and having an unscented option?

(03-08-2016 12:25 PM)dorfmeister Wrote:  I like oil better anyway.

Any thoughts about scents and having an unscented option?

I'm looking into collaborating with DrSmellThis (the creator of Pheromones) on the first cover scent. I got in contact with him a few months back through Basenotes, but I've yet to hear back from him.

I'm looking for something subtle, easy to cover, and that conflicts with few to no other scents, not much more in-your-face than A314's "unscented" option.

True sandalwood (Santalum album) from Australia and ambergris absolute are right at the top of my list. Other options (such as hyraceum and spikenard) are being considered. This will be similar to A314's Royal Oil option (minus the oud) in subtly combining natural pheromones with the synthetics most of you are familiar with.

Limited runs utilizing various types of oud are being considered. Needless to say, these won't be quite as subtle as the version without oud.

Maybe you can talk to Mara from Love Potion. I know some members may not be a fan of natural EOs but I remember smelling two that could be mistaken for a commercial cologne (Love potion #9 that I felt it smelled a lot like Azzaro Chrome. The other one is called King (I'm not home so can't check). Even though it's discontinued, it smelled like a cologne I have smelled before, not sure if it was Escada or CKin2U). Either way, she's an artist so maybe you guys can work something out. In addition, she is selling a pheromone blend called "Swimming with the sharks" which is blended by someone else and she is selling it as a "proprietary blend". Not only she sells it unscneted but also re-create it with different scents (e.g the November version smells great in my opinion)
Just my 2 cents

(03-08-2016 12:55 PM)ShadowX114 Wrote:  Maybe you can talk to Mara from Love Potion. I know some members may not be a fan of natural EOs but I remember smelling two that could be mistaken for a commercial cologne (Love potion #9 that I felt it smelled a lot like Azzaro Chrome. The other one is called King (I'm not home so can't check). Even though it's discontinued, it smelled like a cologne I have smelled before, not sure if it was Escada or CKin2U). Either way, she's an artist so maybe you guys can work something out. In addition, she is selling a pheromone blend called "Swimming with the sharks" which is blended by someone else and she is selling it as a "proprietary blend". Not only she sells it unscneted but also re-create it with different scents (e.g the November version smells great in my opinion)
Just my 2 cents

I considered it, but I feel I have better options on the table. Even if DrSmellThis doesn't work out, there are a number in the indie perfume business I can get in contact with, or I could simply mix up a cover scent myself. Love Potion's options, while certainly unique and interesting, don't fit in with what I'm going for.

(03-08-2016 12:39 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  True sandalwood (Santalum album) from Australia and ambergris absolute are right at the top of my list. Other options (such as hyraceum and spikenard) are being considered.

Where do you source your ambergris and sandalwood from? Any differences in quality?

I just ordered these and should be here this week:

Sandlewood oil & Vetiver oil

Ambergris white gold

Ambergris al oud. I have an empty vile of this that came when I ordered their p-4. Its divine. Not sure if the empty vile was for legal purposes or a sales tactic but it worked.