(09-12-2012 7:45 PM)kmacc45 Wrote:  

Piperine 2 mg 1-Androstene-3b-ol, 17-one 100 mg Luteolin 3 mg Standardized Forskolin 10 mg *percent Daily Values are based on a 2,000 calorie diet. Ingredients:

Other Ingredients: Pyrolsate, Gelatin, Magnesium Stearate, Silica.

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Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1
Servings Per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving %DV*
FINAFLEX 1-ANDRO™

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60

FINAFLEX 1-ANDRO..................................160mg
3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one.........110mg
Bergamottin(6,7,-dihydroxybergamottin)(DHB).50mg

Other Ingredients: Gelatin, Silica, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid.




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Which one seem like it would be the best to work with?

(09-14-2012 12:16 PM)thundr Wrote:  The double bond on the 1,2 position can make it very similar in effects to 5DHEA or it could make it night and day type different when locked onto a receptor. Not sure.

Where do you learn this shit!? Please, tell us!

Had to read up on that DHB stuff. It seems that it affects test 6 hydrolase and is a component in grapefruit juice. Basically in a nutshell it slows the breakdown of test in the body. I dont think it will hinder the study. I think it will become inert when dissolved in etoh as it will not have the test 6 hydrolase in solution with it. Most of this reaction will take place in the liver. I think.

In all the finaflex looks the best. It has the least amount of crap in it and your centrifuge should easily put the boots all that filler garbage in it. The second product has cyclos in it and we are again faced with breaking those rings for access to the good stuff we are looking for.

The Finaflex 1 Andro is 3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one.
I think it is the same thing as 1-testosterone.

The 1-Androsterone is an intermediate of this molecule.

(09-14-2012 4:48 PM)Fly So Hi Wrote:  Where do you learn this shit!? Please, tell us!

Nothing very extravagant, merely looking at the structures.
1-DHEA is dehydrogenated between C1 and C2


The one on the left is 1-DHEA
One on the right is 5-DHEA

notice the double bond on the 5,6 in the 5-DHEA and the double bond at the 1,2 on the 1-DHEA. The positioning of this double bond could make it more or less active than 5-DHEA

Im more of a biologist than chemist. Im not in that field of chem anymore and my shit is rusty like tin man.

Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1
Servings Per Container: 60
Amount Per Serving %DV*
FINAFLEX 1-ANDRO™

Serving Size: 1 Capsule
Servings Per Container: 60

FINAFLEX 1-ANDRO..................................160mg
3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one.........110mg
Bergamottin(6,7,-dihydroxybergamottin)(DHB).50mg

Other Ingredients: Gelatin, Silica, Magnesium Stearate, Stearic Acid.




I find the indgredients information on FinaFlex a little confusing. Some sites listed it with the Finaflex 1-Andro 160mg. And some sites don't, can't find picture of the label anywhere.
I read on another site that 3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one is 1-Androsterone.

http://prohormonedb.com/view-ingredients...-one&i=212

For all those who want to take ride with us here is where I order the the FinaFlex.

http://www.truefreedomsupplements.com/ca...901544.htm

I'm also thinking of getting the 1-Androsterone too.
http://shop.liveleantoday.com/product/1a...h-3185.cfm

If any of these give me the wood like 4-Androstenediol, it would be well worth the money.

P.S. Please note that everything is being applied like all other Pheromone product, sprayed or dropped on neck, wrist and behind ears.

Tks a lot kmacc and thundr. I like this pioneerism!

FWIW, a while back dbot was considering that forskolin might have some kind of phero properties. He hadn't tested it at the time, but it's light enough to fly and biologically active. If we do try to buy this stuff and make it into a mone, it could very well have an impact on the results.