So far, my favorite single molecule is Androstenetrione. No crush effect, beautifies most things that I perceive which leads to appreciation of my life.

Looking at the case where no responses happening for some others, I doubt whether HoM's Androstenetrione is consistent (good and bad batches) or whether it's real Androstenetrione.


I dissolved 2~3 capsules in 100ml of perfumer's alcohol. The first case I mentioned above could go wrong during the process of dissolving -etrione. Not much alcohol, not shaken, not enough time etc...

or maybe HoM used to provide real -etrione, I ordered mine in Jun. 2013, and changed it to something else. Someone recently thought it's DHEA or something.

or maybe -etrione is not what it is. I guess Terry mentioned it doubting whether it's real or not.


It's complicated, one thing for sure for me is that my "androstenetrione" works very well. I wish I tried P86 for comparison, however, if they are the same then I don't need to try P86; I got enough lifetime supply of it.

(02-07-2014 12:48 PM)harry.h.lee Wrote:  I dissolved 2~3 capsules in 100ml of perfumer's alcohol. The first case I mentioned above could go wrong during the process of dissolving -etrione. Not much alcohol, not shaken, not enough time etc...

WoW! the House of muscle caps are 500mg each. Or 500,000mcg each.
I think putting 2~3 in 100mL is a very strong concentration.

If you use and Androtics Sprayer (they claim 200 sprays per 30mL, there are many different types of sprayers out there), then with those....

1mg+30mL = 5mcg/spray

1,500mg+100mL = 2,250mcg/spray
(this was your 3 capsules of 500mg each into 100mL perfumer alchohol.)

note: 1mg (milligram) = 1,000mcg (microgram, sometimes mcg or ug the u looks a little bit like a greek mu symbol used for micro, but the website doesn't always keep the symbols looking like symbols, so mcg is used)

He probably planned to redilute it.

If you find that it works, I'd be happy to pay for a few caps. I was planning to make my own.

(02-07-2014 2:49 PM)pharoahman Wrote:  He probably planned to redilute it.

Perhaps.

But it would be easier to use 1 cap and use less solvent, than 2 or 3 caps.
I'm not totally sure he's using the "House of Muscle" stuff that I have. If he is using another brand it may not be the same 500mg/capsule. But still, if it is only 50mg/capsule you only end up moving the decimal place by 1 digit and still a high amount per spray.

I say this, but I've totally had hits at applications up around 10mg, by accident, but there were hits.

(02-07-2014 1:11 PM)dexter Wrote:  WoW! the House of muscle caps are 500mg each. Or 500,000mcg each.
I think putting 2~3 in 100mL is a very strong concentration.

If you use and Androtics Sprayer (they claim 200 sprays per 30mL, there are many different types of sprayers out there), then with those....

1mg+30mL = 5mcg/spray

1,500mg+100mL = 2,250mcg/spray
(this was your 3 capsules of 500mg each into 100mL perfumer alchohol.)

note: 1mg (milligram) = 1,000mcg (microgram, sometimes mcg or ug the u looks a little bit like a greek mu symbol used for micro, but the website doesn't always keep the symbols looking like symbols, so mcg is used)

Haha, I had to redilute for sure. The number was 14285mcg/ml or so. Then, I used 0.5ml from it for about 35.7mcg/spr in 30ml bottle. I'm guessing it was 3 capsules in 105ml, so 1500mg/105ml = 14.285mg/ml or 14285mcg/ml. Usually, higher concentrate mones are easier to mix with many mones. Alpha Androstenol, Beta Androstenol and -Androsterone themselves can take 30-40% of one mix sometimes.

I worried about that the -etrione can be fake because the world anti-doping agency banned -etrione from 2012, which could lead HoM to carry different substances as -etrione. Not so sure though!

(02-07-2014 11:26 PM)harry.h.lee Wrote:  Haha, I had to redilute for sure. The number was 14285mcg/ml or so. Then, I used 0.5ml from it for about 35.7mcg/spr in 30ml bottle. I'm guessing it was 3 capsules in 105ml, so 1500mg/105ml = 14.285mg/ml or 14285mcg/ml. Usually, higher concentrate mones are easier to mix with many mones. Alpha Androstenol, Beta Androstenol and -Androsterone themselves can take 30-40% of one mix sometimes.

If it doesn't all dissolve into the 100mL, then the 5mL won't have the amount you think it does when you redillute in step 2.
If it did all dissolve, then you are good.

(02-07-2014 11:26 PM)harry.h.lee Wrote:  I worried about that the -etrione can be fake because the world anti-doping agency banned -etrione from 2012, which could lead HoM to carry different substances as -etrione. Not so sure though!

I don't think -etrione is illegal yet like testosterone. Just banned like DHEA for athletes. So I think it would be available like DHEA.

Sports medicine enthusiasts will have their supplements tested from time to time at independent labs to make sure they know what is in there, and to make sure that things they don't want in there aren't in there. This seems expensive compared to the $50/bottle for a single person, but if you want to know for sure, then there are ways. They do it so their career isn't ended by using an effective, yet banned supplement on accident.

It has been reported to me that the HOM etrione has been changed from the old one that was creating the major beautification effect.

So the question is where do we go from here? I have an idea for a mix but I need a decent supply that is available for repurchase down the road once I run out of the molecule.

I found a research place selling for $250 for 10mg but I know thats bull shit.....its jujst medically pure for research purposes that require 100% purity.

So, anyone found a new supply that works?

(02-11-2014 2:32 AM)Magnus Wrote:  It has been reported to me that the HOM etrione has been changed from the old one that was creating the major beautification effect.

So the question is where do we go from here? I have an idea for a mix but I need a decent supply that is available for repurchase down the road once I run out of the molecule.

I found a research place selling for $250 for 10mg but I know thats bull shit.....its jujst medically pure for research purposes that require 100% purity.

So, anyone found a new supply that works?

Sounds about right. *smh*

(02-11-2014 2:32 AM)Magnus Wrote:  It has been reported to me that the HOM etrione has been changed from the old one that was creating the major beautification effect.

So the question is where do we go from here? I have an idea for a mix but I need a decent supply that is available for repurchase down the road once I run out of the molecule.

I found a research place selling for $250 for 10mg but I know thats bull shit.....its jujst medically pure for research purposes that require 100% purity.

So, anyone found a new supply that works?

kmacc found some on ebay that he swore by. Don't go buy something on ebay just because I said ebay. Make sure it is the same stuff. It is in some thread somewhere on PT with pictures and info, search for it. He said it was better than the HoM stuff. It had purple capsules instead of clear.

It is in this thread ~9-7-2012, i think it was iron mag labs, but there were 2 different types he tried.

My bottle from HoM is probably about 2 years old. I hope it's still the good stuff.

Sorry I am late to this thread. I am fairly sure the House of Muscle product is fake. Research on the chemical, and testimony from people who used it for bodybuilding said it tastes very bitter. The red House of Muscle capsules do not. I am not certain they contain anything more then rice flour, corn starch, or some other filler. Even the choice to make the capsules red is linked to fakes, as studies show red placebo pills to be "more effective".

That said, I have plenty left from the bottle for testing purposes.