Granted I'm a noob here but just my two cents: I've been on many forums over the years, seen a lot of fighting, splits and near collapses. All of this boils down to one fact:

It's the internet. Not real life. No reason to get pissed off at someone who sits behind a computer. Besides, odds are at least half of the idiots out there wouldn't have the guts to say what they say in person.

Folks here seem pretty friendly and helpful.
Folks over there seem pretty friendly and helpful.

Whether or not Jasmin and/or MHarris are lying: Frak them. In my opinion they shouldn't be dragging out this supposed drama. Keep quiet, go on about your business.
Their business ethics need to be re-evaluated but that's just my two cents. I like A314, so I'll stick with it. Other stuff, well, that's why I'm here, to find out what's out there.

(06-20-2011 7:13 PM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  Mustang, I do commend you for standing up for what you believe in, and I thank you for not turning this thread into another pissing match, as it would have been all to easy to do.

I used to be extrememly loyal to Androtics and their biggest fanboy, and I would venomously defend them when the occasion arose.

But shit happens, and I'll not get into all the reeasons why again, but they lost my faith, trust and support.

You may think we're not completely on the up and up here, and Diane alleged the same thing, which is a big part of the reason we now have Beccah and dbot on board as administrators, and they have complete access to everything and know everything that goes on with the forum. But to be honest, there's very little that goes on behind the scenes that our members aren't privvy to, and what does is mainly just bouncing ideas back and forth and trying to make the forum a better place for the members.

I'll not try to change your mind, or turn you against Androtics in any way, and you are always welcome here.

Just know though, that while I'll never initiate an attack, if someone comes at me or this forum, I will strike back and venomously defend the forum and myself, and I'll use whatever TRUTHFUL information I have at hand to strike harder.

I've been on the forum here and have found some reputable companies that I would deal with. While I have voiced my opinions on things being fucked up at certain situations at the AD forum, there is no business that I know of, even Fortune 500 companies that don't make those types of mistakes. Also what I've been trying to convey is that it is simply put that what dbot asked, while I understand his motives, isn't something realistically that AD would fulfill.

You have enough companies and members to do the testing that you want so why even expect AD to cater to that when you all know the answers to which putatives are which.

We could both agree on their public forum that they never directly named you as someone who was perpetrating these attacks on them. Whatever your past might have been, and whatever insinuations are made, I believe that if its going to be handled it should be between those two parties. Neither me or anyone else should get involved in it when we clearly don't know BOTH sides of the story, and that's only between (If it is you) and them.

I've taken their side on the simple matters of their business decisions, I'm not going to make assumptions on their "NLP or deceitful" tactics that they like to do, whether or not they do it. I've always gotten constant results from the products and the putatives. I know well enough I'm at the mercy of their supply issues, but if it's not there it's not. I'll get it from another company, if I don't know what the molecule is, then I'll do the testing myself.

We can go on and on about this and throw facts and perceptions at each other, but I'm sure we can both agree that on a product level, and customer service, they are pretty good in those fields.

(06-20-2011 7:58 PM)photogeek Wrote:  Granted I'm a noob here but just my two cents: I've been on many forums over the years, seen a lot of fighting, splits and near collapses. All of this boils down to one fact:

It's the internet. Not real life. No reason to get pissed off at someone who sits behind a computer. Besides, odds are at least half of the idiots out there wouldn't have the guts to say what they say in person.

Folks here seem pretty friendly and helpful.
Folks over there seem pretty friendly and helpful.

Whether or not Jasmin and/or MHarris are lying: Frak them. In my opinion they shouldn't be dragging out this supposed drama. Keep quiet, go on about your business.
Their business ethics need to be re-evaluated but that's just my two cents. I like A314, so I'll stick with it. Other stuff, well, that's why I'm here, to find out what's out there.

Harris and Jasmin haven't posted on the forum in a while. The events that are happening right now were brought up to the forum there, not the other way around. Again what happens behind the scenes are because of those parties that are involved, let them solve it.

Hopefully this clears up a bit on what I'm trying to do and why I'm doing it. It is my personal feelings and beliefs of what I know what AD is trying to do. I spoke out even more now because I'm tired of the insinuations that I am getting paid/brainwashed with free shit that I vehemently defend them.

But thank you Mark for keeping an open mind and letting me post on this forum, and while we will probably have our disagreements, I will try to keep the posts as tactful as possible.

(06-20-2011 5:43 PM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  If John wants to keep it up, we can start talking about who Michael Harris really is, how, why and in what condition he left his ex-wife, why Stone Labs refuses to deal with them anymore, and a few other issues that they probably really don't want brought up.

Or, we can go back to leaving our members to discuss the issues they care to talk about, without throwing stones at each other. And, they can just go ahead and continue censoring out anything their members say that makes them uncomfortable or draws attention to anything they are trying to avoid.

Its John's call!

I sincerely encourage Mustang or any of the other staunch Androtics supporters to carry my above promise back to John, or better yet Jasmin.

I probably know more of their dirty little secrets than most, and if little pissant Johnny boy wants to keep spewing their lies, the shits gonna hit the fan and they ain't gonna like where it splatters!

And maybe I'll even throw out a name and toss out how John got his position with the company ONLY because his father has a business relationship with the guy.

Sorry, i don't mean to dig shit up but I don't understand why when customers have an issue with the company, fellow customers have to speak up on their behalf.

When I ask for facts to back up their claims, I don't need another customer (alleged or otherwise) to counter that it's because they mentioned it in a post or phone call or whatever not, substantiating that claim solely on the basis that I don't question most companies I interact with on a day to day basis or their business model or something else.

I am unhappy with how I am suppose to contribute on "research" when all it seems it is just lining their pockets.

But I digress. Company issues should be answered by company reps.

Ok, just so you all know all the phero forums and vendors are owned by me including the that secret USA lab which is in a bunker in the Nevada desert.
All the forum posts here, AD and Love Scent are also all mine using pseudonyms.
You may think you posted your posts, but I did them too. Its just clever NLP.
Dont let anyone tell you any different, they are just trying to manipulate you.

5 pages of wtf!!???

Pull the string!!

But mine has a chain.... oh you mean that dangling string between her

(06-22-2011 8:34 AM)Pheroman Wrote:  But mine has a chain.... oh you mean that dangling string between her

No, he means the string holding up the guillotine blade!

I remember posting on their message board once trying to get advice and then Steve responds by telling me that I should test the product myself instead of asking for advice and how that I can never be a reporting user that way, what a joke.