XPX had the idea to give this stuff a try, noting that it is an active neurosteroid and seems to be an identified pheromone for some type of lizard. Here are some references he posted in his journal:

XPX Wrote:http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17143049
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20571365
http://www.kaluefflab.com/pdfs/publicati...inNutr.pdf
http://ezinearticles.com/?Can-Vitamin-D-...&id=545874
http://www.pheromonetalk.com/studies-abs...-1074.html

I take 5000IU as a supplement nearly every day, so I had some readily available. IU (International Unit) is a measurement that varies for each substance based on level of bioactivity or something like that. 1000IU of D3 = 25mcg.

So I dissolved 5000IU in 5mL of spray mix (EtoH+FCO+monolaurin) to end up with a sprayer at about 3.125mcg per spray.

My first two tests for self-effects at the 3mcg level were very positive! The first try, I reported "Mood elevation, silliness, spaciness." The next day I gave it another go and wrote:

dbot Wrote:Same self-effect as last night! Happiness, even giddiness! I could see being real talkative and playful with this stuff on at the 3mcg level! It oddly kind of feels like what you would imagine liquid sunshine to feel like!

I never tried the Androtics product by the same name so I have no idea if the effect is comparable. However, the self-effects of D3 immediately made me think of the reports on P102/P103. I wouldn't be surprised to find that D2 and D3 are P102 and P103.

Although now that I search for reports on those two putatives it looks like effects were at much higher doses. But then again, I trust Androtics' dosing about as much as I trust what I hear on the TV news.

Yesterday I ran to the store wearing 15mcg of D3.

Woah man this is some strong self-effect! I was feeling really tired before I applied, so some of the effect may have had to do with tiredness, but I felt kind of strangely wide-eyed after application. It's tough to describe. I noticed an increased intensity of focus, but a decreased range of focus. Like I could only pay attention to one little thing at a time. I noticed increased awareness of physical sensation but also a peculiar change in sensation -- I felt fluid to the point of being liquid, like I could run my hand through a wall like water. Some increase in impulsivity as well. There was a little something like absent-mindedness too, but it wasn't exactly that; it was more like a sense of urgency to attend to the reduced stimulus that my pinhole consciousness was focused in on. Not unpleasant, especially with the giddy carefree feeling that accompanied this effect, but it wore me out. I showered up when I got back home.

I didn't really notice any other-effects on this outing, but I actually thought to myself that I would have trouble recognizing whatever effects there might be. I need to test this stuff at work or something, at lower doses. Seems like the 5-10mcg range will likely end up being the sweet spot. Might go great with some pregnenolone and Alpha Androstenol.

I just bought a bottle of these from Walmart for about 4 bucks. I bought the cheapest version they had. lol. I aint gonna be taking it, so what the heck.

I looked for D2, but I didn't see any at WM.

I should be able to do some tests on D3 by the end of the week or next weekend.

That does sound like p103 to me.

I'll have to try this and compare

(07-23-2011 8:13 PM)paradigmshift Wrote:  That does sound like p103 to me.

I'll have to try this and compare

It's very fascinating stuff but I can tell you it's definately not P103!

I tested P103 very intensiv for a long time and D3 hasn't that hypnotic effect of P103!


Still needs more testing!

XPX can you say more about the "hypnotic effect" of P103?

I wonder what other neurosteroids are sitting on the shelf in the vitamin section waiting to be liberated in a bath of ethanol.

(07-23-2011 8:39 PM)dbot Wrote:  XPX can you say more about the "hypnotic effect" of P103?

For me the P103 is more a fearless and careless feeling! Your thoughts a spreading arround and you can't realy concentrate on anything! Also for me the P103 is extremly calming and relaxed and hypnotic! I can't realy describe the hypnotic feeling it it's a feeling as beeing in trance!

With D3 I haven't got such heavy effects! D3 is much more natural and makes realy good feelings!

For me the P103 is one of the strongest Pheromones! Had much sucess with it and heavy crashes!

I see the hypnotic effects especially on men, fact is, males are much more quiet and confused with this stuff. Trance is the perfect word.

I have a 30mL of P103 in neroli that I have never even sprayed. I may wear some with A314 tomorrow and see how that goes.

Tonight I dunked 4000IU of Vitamin D3 into 4mL Etoh. I'll let those dissolve for a few days.

I'm using those glass to-go sprayers from Love Potion and I'm not sure how many sprays are to the bottle. It should end up being a pretty low dose per spray.

(07-23-2011 1:49 PM)dbot Wrote:  So I dissolved 5000IU in 5mL of spray mix (EtoH+FCO+monolaurin) to end up with a sprayer at about 3.125mcg per spray.

My first two tests for self-effects at the 3mcg level were very positive! The first try, I reported "Mood elevation, silliness, spaciness." The next day I gave it another go and wrote:

Same self-effect as last night! Happiness, even giddiness! I could see being real talkative and playful with this stuff on at the 3mcg level! It oddly kind of feels like what you would imagine liquid sunshine to feel like!Yesterday I ran to the store wearing 15mcg of D3.

Woah man this is some strong self-effect! I was feeling really tired before I applied, so some of the effect may have had to do with tiredness, but I felt kind of strangely wide-eyed after application. It's tough to describe. I noticed an increased intensity of focus, but a decreased range of focus. Like I could only pay attention to one little thing at a time. I noticed increased awareness of physical sensation but also a peculiar change in sensation -- I felt fluid to the point of being liquid, like I could run my hand through a wall like water. Some increase in impulsivity as well. There was a little something like absent-mindedness too, but it wasn't exactly that; it was more like a sense of urgency to attend to the reduced stimulus that my pinhole consciousness was focused in on. Not unpleasant, especially with the giddy carefree feeling that accompanied this effect, but it wore me out. I showered up when I got back home.

Seems like the 5-10mcg range will likely end up being the sweet spot.

dbot
i tried D3 (1 softgel of 5000IU=125mcg (1mcg=40IU or 1IU=.025mcg), with 5mL of ethanol (190everclear), and 5 drops of polysorbate-20 (aks Polyoxyethylene sorbitan monolaurate)). I didn't see any effects yet, I'll try it some more because of your posts saying that it has effects, I could be the variable in this one, possibly being already spacey so that more spacey wouldn't be noticeable, or perhaps drained of nutrition so that even though the pheromone was sensed, my body wasn't able to respond by making enough hormone for me to get the self effects response.

The polysorbate-20 is an emulsifier from coconut oil(highly processed) and it works with oils/water, but it didn't seem to work with D3/ethanol. Did your mix emulsify from the fractionated coconut oil, or the monolaurin, or the mix of both? Or did it seperate a few minutes after shaking?