Heavy Fallout/Stalker seems to be caused normally when a woman can not obtain the person they are having these love/crushy feelings and repetitive thoughts for a guy. Such as you say your married, no longer want to see them, or are someone they cant have such as celebrity or super high status male. Also going away ie stop texting/calling them or physically not seeing them can set this off.

The Hookup, Grail of Affection, and Swoon have all caused women to have unusual contact and or thoughts of me related to the pheromone exposure. On Mothers Day even my 18 yo niece who was exposed only once to Swoon I see I was wearing that day apparently got my number somehow, as she didnt have it before, and texted for 3 days with lots of !!! and never had much interest in knowing me before. Nude Alpha did as well in the past for me, I think it works on the long term memory which is why it takes longer but far deeper. Certo, Voodoo, Xist, and Imprint also are in the same category with varying degrees of quickness and depth of the imprint/crushy feelings.

Phertest gave his opinion on those he has used here

(05-21-2017 4:56 PM)DataDragon Wrote:  Heavy Fallout/Stalker seems to be caused normally when a woman can not obtain the person they are having these love/crushy feelings and repetitive thoughts for a guy. Such as you say your married, no longer want to see them, or are someone they cant have such as celebrity or super high status male. Also going away ie stop texting/calling them or physically not seeing them can set this off.

The Hookup, Grail of Affection, and Swoon have all caused women to have unusual contact and or thoughts of me related to the pheromone exposure. On Mothers Day even my 18 yo niece who was exposed only once to Swoon I see I was wearing that day apparently got my number somehow, as she didnt have it before, and texted for 3 days with lots of !!! and never had much interest in knowing me before. Nude Alpha did as well in the past for me, I think it works on the long term memory which is why it takes longer but far deeper. Certo, Voodoo, Xist, and Imprint also are in the same category with varying degrees of quickness and depth of the imprint/crushy feelings.

Phertest gave his opinion on those he has used here

Hello DataDragon,
Just wondering if you have combo with THU-SWOON and what have you found to be interesting hits. I can see how SWOON solo works too. Can you elaborate on behavior during the exposure and also app points, drops or sprays and what was the weather like for you on mothers day. Were you indoors or outdoors and so forth. I am trying to compare with my experience too. Thanks for your response on this...

I believe that Stalker/Fallout is just the negative progression when the female has developed (or been artificially given by pheromones) the strong bonding/love/crush feelings and see you as a high status catch, but cant have it (ie you are their teacher, married, a celebrity), can no longer have it, or it seems to them it may go away with a feeling of loss. Status + INTEREST/CRUSH + CANT HAVE IT/UNOBTAINABLE = potential FALLOUT. They cant act on their feelings and cant get rid of them so they obsess. Girls you dont like that much that you caused these feelings, then cut it off will cause it. Girls you stop seeing after just sleeping with them when you caused these feelings first can cause it. A sexual gets them to think only sexually, where these are making a woman want you ongoing with bonding/love/infatuation that leads to love. The deeper the imprint, the more you should consider before using it on someone what your trying to accomplish with that person. Just a lay or fwb probably should rethink beyond the short term imprint products.

(05-21-2017 5:09 PM)AMMO5680 Wrote:  Hello DataDragon,
Just wondering if you have combo with THU-SWOON and what have you found to be interesting hits. I can see how SWOON solo works too. Can you elaborate on behavior during the exposure and also app points, drops or sprays and what was the weather like for you on mothers day. Were you indoors or outdoors and so forth. I am trying to compare with my experience too. Thanks for your response on this...

Swoon solo that day 5 drops. 1 each side neck, 1 ea wrist, and back of neck. 70s short term outside and hour exposure across from table indoors in my nieces case. People who knew me but no established relationship gave hugs (VERY unusual) when meeting and seemed to trust/more comfortable with me. Chatty and open and fun vibe. Iois from strangers, seater, and some waittresses mostly young 20s. Not really feeling highly sexual like I get from an e-none product, but interested, perhaps like I'm a good boyfriend type. Mood Lifted my stressed out sister. Was using as a social that morning, not looking for meeting women that day. Later in the day sex seemed enhanced with a girl I've known awhile which I wasnt expecting from this. It DOES combo well with THU. THU also combos great with GOA. They will be discussed in those sections after more testing.

(05-21-2017 6:00 PM)DataDragon Wrote:  I believe that Stalker/Fallout is just the negative progression when the female has developed (or been artificially given by pheromones) the strong bonding/love/crush feelings and see you as a high status catch, but cant have it (ie you are their teacher, married, a celebrity), can no longer have it, or it seems to them it may go away with a feeling of loss. Status + INTEREST/CRUSH + CANT HAVE IT/UNOBTAINABLE = potential FALLOUT. They cant act on their feelings and cant get rid of them so they obsess. Girls you dont like that much that you caused these feelings, then cut it off will cause it. Girls you stop seeing after just sleeping with them when you caused these feelings first can cause it. A sexual gets them to think only sexually, where these are making a woman want you ongoing with bonding/love/infatuation that leads to love. The deeper the imprint, the more you should consider before using it on someone what your trying to accomplish with that person. Just a lay or fwb probably should rethink beyond the short term imprint products.

Swoon solo that day 5 drops. 1 each side neck, 1 ea wrist, and back of neck. 70s short term outside and hour exposure across from table indoors in my nieces case. People who knew me but no established relationship gave hugs (VERY unusual) when meeting and seemed to trust/more comfortable with me. Chatty and open and fun vibe. Iois from strangers, seater, and some waittresses mostly young 20s. Not really feeling highly sexual like I get from an e-none product, but interested, perhaps like I'm a good boyfriend type. Mood Lifted my stressed out sister. Was using as a social that morning, not looking for meeting women that day. Later in the day sex seemed enhanced with a girl I've known awhile which I wasnt expecting from this. It DOES combo well with THU. THU also combos great with GOA. They will be discussed in those sections after more testing.

Thanks for the reply DataDragon,
I can see how 5 drops woukd work just like you mentioned. I got similar responses. Take a look at the recent postings I gave with regards to immidiate effects on those exposed to swoon. Again great feedback, I am really itching to keep using this on the social level with friends, famiky and settings where you can see it go to work. I have a feeling that this can be pulled off at a bar at high doses to keep a neutral setting and stear it as you will towards the sexual like you mentioned.

(05-21-2017 4:56 PM)DataDragon Wrote:  Heavy Fallout/Stalker seems to be caused normally when a woman can not obtain the person they are having these love/crushy feelings and repetitive thoughts for a guy. Such as you say your married, no longer want to see them, or are someone they cant have such as celebrity or super high status male. Also going away ie stop texting/calling them or physically not seeing them can set this off.

The Hookup, Grail of Affection, and Swoon have all caused women to have unusual contact and or thoughts of me related to the pheromone exposure. On Mothers Day even my 18 yo niece who was exposed only once to Swoon I see I was wearing that day apparently got my number somehow, as she didnt have it before, and texted for 3 days with lots of !!! and never had much interest in knowing me before. Nude Alpha did as well in the past for me, I think it works on the long term memory which is why it takes longer but far deeper. Certo, Voodoo, Xist, and Imprint also are in the same category with varying degrees of quickness and depth of the imprint/crushy feelings.

Phertest gave his opinion on those he has used here

Newbie here. Very interesting information in your link. My question is where does Cohesion fall in there? I don't really see much talk of imprinting with Cohesion with the lurking I've done so far. I see more talk of comfort, but is it not still a romance product? How does it compare to GoA and Swoon in particular?

(05-21-2017 8:15 PM)kdawg Wrote:  Newbie here. Very interesting information in your link. My question is where does Cohesion fall in there? I don't really see much talk of imprinting with Cohesion with the lurking I've done so far. I see more talk of comfort, but is it not still a romance product? How does it compare to GoA and Swoon in particular?

Swoon gives off a fun casual boyfriend vibe that also can cause some imprinting and fallout after your meeting such as calling or texting or wanting to hang around you, along with socials that make it good to use for parties, family, friends and the like. The vibe works best around 18-25 females imo, but hits older just doesnt say Long Term Relationship/SERIOUS RELATIONSHIP GUY here.

Goa gives off a more serious relationship vibe, with some very fast hitting imprinting that doesnt require multiple exposures. But is not an all around product like swoon.

And here is the cohesion thread. It is recommended as a new user to do some research and then as you try product to post your findings, then you will find people much more willing to share their own viewpoint. Many users just ask questions and go away without contributing anything. The ones mentioned in phertests link are his opinion of the top 5 to use for romantic/boyfriend so feel free to use that as a starting point. You will find many others opinions as you read. Welcome.

Cohesion thread

I have read that thread before. It provided good information, but did not directly answer my question. I'm a college student, and not the richest of folks out there. I would rather not buy multiple products that turn out to be redundant. GoA and Swoon were a lot more present than Cohesion in the Top 5 Pheromone threads, so I'm pretty sold on those, but on the fence about Cohesion. Is there anything that Cohesion brings to the table that these other pheromones don't?

BTW, I am planning on getting at least of sample of Cohesion at some point, because I know there's other pheromones from PXS I really want, so it's not like I'm never going to test.

(05-21-2017 8:47 PM)kdawg Wrote:  I have read that thread before. It provided good information, but did not directly answer my question. I'm a college student, and not the richest of folks out there. I would rather not buy multiple products that turn out to be redundant. GoA and Swoon were a lot more present than Cohesion in the Top 5 Pheromone threads, so I'm pretty sold on those, but on the fence about Cohesion. Is there anything that Cohesion brings to the table that these other pheromones don't?

BTW, I am planning on getting at least of sample of Cohesion at some point, because I know there's other pheromones from PXS I really want, so it's not like I'm never going to test.

I suggest to start with ONE product and master it. Swoon would be a good choice because its easy for a beginner, it can be used as a social around family and friends and going out. It can generate interest for dating you casually and imprinting, and can be used on the date for fun, and even can be used for better sex. It targets your age group range hardest. Its all purpose which is why I say to try just that first to see what you can do with it. After you master that, you can always buy something to combo with it, or another product to do something it doesnt do for you. Ask for a sample of Grail of Affection with your swoon order to test it out first. Cohesion has touching (kino), lots of clingy and comfort, some sexual and interest in dating you, some imprinting, and can be used to tone down products that are too alpha/strong in combos.As you said, buy it sometime or if you find something else they have you like, you can get it as a sample.

Post your questions in the threads about the products and dont forget to share what you find for others.

(05-21-2017 10:04 PM)DataDragon Wrote:  I suggest to start with ONE product and master it. Swoon would be a good choice because its easy for a beginner, it can be used as a social around family and friends and going out. It can generate interest for dating you casually and imprinting, and can be used on the date for fun, and even can be used for better sex. It targets your age group range hardest. Its all purpose which is why I say to try just that first to see what you can do with it. After you master that, you can always buy something to combo with it, or another product to do something it doesnt do for you. Ask for a sample of Grail of Affection with your swoon order to test it out first. Cohesion has touching (kino), lots of clingy and comfort, some sexual and interest in dating you, some imprinting, and can be used to tone down products that are too alpha/strong in combos.As you said, buy it sometime or if you find something else they have you like, you can get it as a sample.

Post your questions in the threads about the products and dont forget to share what you find for others.

Will do, I think I might be getting ahead of myself a bit. I will focus on one product at a time.

(05-20-2017 6:26 PM)DrChocolate Wrote:  This is an old thread. But worth the read.

http://pherotruth.org/Thread-Etrione-Mix-1-The-Crush

The legendary Dbot mixed a blend of different molecules to gain a crush effect. Am assuming that's fallout. Thought I'll link it here.

No, a crush is not the same as fallout. Fallout is of a different nature than a crush, and includes individuals being perceived as high status. It's more lasting and powerful than simple infatuation, and it's a bit confusing when users conflate fallout with any form of imprinting, no matter how mild. Paradox has done an excellent job explaining this effect, and you can find other explanations earlier in this thread. Here's a quote from K-Train describing fallout years ago.[/quote]

Quote:This is a quote by MHarris:

"I'll explain "fallout" in more detail: women tend to want typical A314 users all for themselves. It's truly a "this is my man" type of mix, when used for attraction. A314 can attract some amazing women to you, normally out of reach women -- no doubt -- but it comes with a price normally. That price is often ownership of your soul."

Essentially, Harris says that when a man who wears A314 starts getting closer with a women(physically/emotionally) it causes women to want to latch on to you. Of course this is metaphorical but it does make sense.

Pesonally, I'm experiencing this RIGHT NOW. Even though me and this girl aren't "official" she still trys to include me in a lot of things like scheduling college workshops with me, eating with me, asking where I'm going, wanting me to be around her, all that stuff. And she probably qualifies for the "out of reach" women because I can tell you that 3 years ago I wouldn't have had a CHANCE with this girl.