(10-16-2013 11:15 AM)PheroPhiend Wrote:  I think most of the punch coming from some of these mixes is highly engineered, designer molecules rare in nature or only in small amounts.

This is what I was getting at in my OP. I repped you for thinking it through.

To me fallout is caused by exposure to a molecule or molecules which causes the target to miss your presence.

Wolf, A314 and NA cause fallout but no other products cause as much fallout as the Alpha products.

This leads me to believe that either:
A) They share a common ratio of basic mones (rones, nols, nones...ect) that amateurs don't know how to duplicate

or

B) The Alpha products all contain a molecule(s) that causes fallout.

or

C) Fallout is a natural human response to the presence and subsequent non presence of the Alpha

(10-16-2013 11:15 AM)PheroPhiend Wrote:  ...Due to competition (mostly from SteveO)...

Woah, so SteveO is on his own now and making his own products? That's news to me, when did this happen?

(10-16-2013 1:43 PM)Phya Wrote:  Woah, so SteveO is on his own now and making his own products? That's news to me, when did this happen?

Steve O has been in business a little over 2 years now.

(10-16-2013 11:15 AM)PheroPhiend Wrote:  1. Alpha Androsterone? Not really special. Ubiquitous. Androstenone? Ditto. I think most of the punch coming from some of these mixes is highly engineered, designer molecules rare in nature or only in small amounts. Every woman has met multiple Androsterone and None guys, from her father, brother, all the way down. But she hasn't met some dude wearing a few micrograms of a Lab Grade molecule at high purity with a powerful effect on the mind and perceptions. Which leads to the King Maker / Superstar perception, and possessiveness. So, my instincts say it's Androsterone, None and an engineered molecule or two, in the right ratios. Thus A314, etc. It's like the difference between pizza man knocked on your door (glad to see him, but nothing special) or a billionaire knocked on your door. One happens every day, the other once in a lifetime. Nothing else makes sense to me or has any logical I can unravel. Due to competition (mostly from SteveO), M. Harris will soon have to emerge and use every trick in the book to make a 314 like he's never done...at a discounted price. They can't churn enough newbies otherwise.

I am quite interested in what exactly it is causing the fallout too. I asked a question about androsterone here and on discoverxs and it seems pretty unanimous that androsterone does have some status. However, whatevers in a314 (the stuff that works anyway) causes a a much more extreme effect than just respect... it was awe, admiration, etc.

M Harris posts the weekly award thread EVERY WEEK and I know hes seen the turned off customers from their line... the truth is slowly coming out about their bad practices and competing products. I hope they cut the shit soon and tell everyone whats really going on.

As promised, I have my report of Cohesion + TAF. Today I wore one spray of cohesion, waited 30 minutes, and then applied 4 sprays of TAF (2.5mcgs per spray) for 10mcgs of TAF total.

Effects on myself: Felt really focused, add that to the slight initial high I get from Cohesion and it turned into me walking around campus as if I was a business man and had shit to do. I had a plan, and I wanted to get it done.

I noticed today when playing basketball that I was swatting and stealing balls left and right. I'm only 5'6 mind you but it was like I could zoom into the ball and time each dribble.

Effects on Others: I didn't see anything I could pin on TAF. Most of the effects I saw were typical of me wearing Cohesion solo. More testing is definitely needed. Perhaps I'll try TAF with Xist and Cohesion tomorrow since I have a good base line with that mix already and could pin down any new or heightened reactions.

(10-16-2013 1:59 PM)Paradox Wrote:  Steve O has been in business a little over 2 years now.

Thanks, that's a long time. I guess it was only a matter of time.

(10-16-2013 2:15 PM)phertest Wrote:  M Harris posts the weekly award thread EVERY WEEK and I know hes seen the turned off customers from their line... the truth is slowly coming out about their bad practices and competing products. I hope they cut the shit soon and tell everyone whats really going on.

I wouldn't hold your breath. I don't know if AD's products are still any good (I've been away from the phero scene for a while now), but if they haven't cut the shit in the 5 years I've known about them, they aren't going to cut it anytime soon. There are way too many newbies for them to care.

But hey, it would be awesome if they did. A guy can dream, can't he?

5 years ago? I'm assuming thats around the time they changed the old A314 formula and watered it down from the commanding boss alpha formula to something a little less intimidating. Well they didn't come clean about it then (tried to blame it on some certain oil or mistake ) and they've continued to ruin the formula over a period of years... the last one was so bad they set up an exchange program and now the product is just mediocre. They're always "backlogged" with work but cant maintain a simple store with a few basic ass products.

(10-16-2013 2:15 PM)phertest Wrote:  I am quite interested in what exactly it is causing the fallout too. I asked a question about androsterone here and on discoverxs and it seems pretty unanimous that androsterone does have some status. However, whatevers in a314 (the stuff that works anyway) causes a a much more extreme effect than just respect... it was awe, admiration, etc.

M Harris posts the weekly award thread EVERY WEEK and I know hes seen the turned off customers from their line... the truth is slowly coming out about their bad practices and competing products. I hope they cut the shit soon and tell everyone whats really going on.

I'm sure the post you see from M Harris every week is an automated post, I don't think he has anything to do with AD anymore.

Well just my $.02, fallout may be good or bad depending on what you may be looking for, and for the most part that may be subjective in nature to the wearer. For the most part, I've seen reports where mones are not entirely to blame for fallout or similar feelings and at the same time, it could be since some mones affect brain receptors. So in this battle i would that a successful fallout or successful mission completed would depend on both. What you do and how you present yourself along with what mones you use create bonding/memorable experiences, which when viewed from a high status male result in attractive qualities which are hard to pass up.

From what i have been reading though and thanks in large part to Diana (bless her soul), certain Pheromones target certain ethnic groups probably based on receptors availability, binding and so on, which may in my opinion, may be based on functionality of the VNO. Unless it is more active than conventional science has indicated, it may very well be that in terms of phero type, concentration, and then factors like temperature, humindity, skin absorption vs diffusion, and the person's own bpdy chemistry, cleanliness of the skin and so on are all contributing factors as to whether or not targets are affected by mones. Obviously there is more but in reality for me to list all contributing factors, i would have to write it in a journal using all the compounding notes and going back to each poster to cite as the contributor for their knowledge imparted. But right off the bat, i can list out thanks to Diana, Pago, Kimba, Mobocaster, Paradox1, SteveO, Chris, Remmy, RTB, Phertest, and MMM, off the top of my head for the majority of the information i have gathered from specific molecules to mixed Pheromones. Without them i wouldnt be as knowledgeable in all this stuff.

Aside from that, i also take in the psycological aspect this may have on people, and just gives me that much more appreciation for the sense to brain chemical interaction that creates our experiences. Truly we know little about the brain and the mind and how they both interact than we thought before, and although we do know much, we really learn just how little we know overall. Im just glad to be able to test these mixes and molecules and have fun with them Good and bad effects. Verily i say, that the true science comes from scrutiny of each molecule in specific environments and what environment would work best based on diffusion and diffusion strength, where some wpuld work best outdoors and some best indoors, cold environment and hot ones.

My mind has come back 'round to focusing on fallout again. Oh boy. I just can't help myself. I'm sure some of this will be overlap with other threads, but I'd like to get a lot of information packed into one place - and in a more organized manner.

Fallout - You are the only thing the target (or unintended target!) thinks about. Ever. You get in the way of living a normal, healthy life. Stalker-mentality.

Imprint - You stick out in the target's mind as special, but the target can focus on living a normal life. They can even get by without seeing you, or hearing from you every day. You're just a little special part of it, and the person will think of you with a heart-smile.

While it's my personal opinion that fallout is something that I don't think is "good" - especially when you're a married man, , it's an effect that I would find fascinating to witness firsthand. I have not, up to this point, in my testing experience.

For fallout to happen, you need to be come across as very, very special. So special, that you become necessary for a person to go on living. You're like their favorite new TV show to obsess over, ice cream they can't go a day without, or maybe you even trigger a daddy-complex!

It's about taking a big brick, and hitting someone over the head with a shocking revelation: Wow, I never realized you were so fuckin' sexy/hot/manly/"big-time"/reliable/amazing - whatever. You need your vibe to go straight through to the subconscious in a big way. In other words, for whatever reason, the target is suddenly crushin' on you - hardcore.

Fallout Molecules vs. Imprint Molecules (notwithstanding secret ingredients)

Does Imprint + Imprint + Imprint + Imprint = Fallout?

Is there such thing as a one-time exposure = Instant Stalker? (good name for a mix, eh!?)

Fallout Killers - Molecules that remove fallout potential of known Fallout Molecules.

Stand alone products
Combos of stand alone products and/or single molecules

So far, molecules and products listed in this thread:

Products
Nude Alpha
A314
API
Cohesion (?)
Connections (?)
Crush
Instant Honesty
Instant Gentleman (?)
Instant Shine
New Pheromone Additive

Molecules
P83
P96
A-1 (androstadienone)
Beta-androstenol
Alpha and beta -Androsterone
Beta-THDOC
TAF

Combinations
NA + A-1
New Pheromone Additive + A-1
A314 + P96 + P83
???

Purported Products (?)
Xist
Voodoo
GOA
Alpha Treasures
Captain
Imprint

Potential Fallout Killers (?)
DHEA
DHEAS
Alpha-androstenol
P102 (EpiAlloPregnenolone?)
-therefore no: Xist, Bliss, Love Boat, Cohesion, Connections (too much a-nol?), Vibes, Fantasy, Ascend (any others?)

"Reset" Products (and what the hell do they have to do with imprinting and/or fallout, if anything?)
Bliss
Xist
Escape the Friend Zone

Calling all fallout experts! - theorists, and experienced testers!

Let's focus on products that should be left on the shelf, as well as products that are sure-fire (i.e. products/combinations that create fallout within 1-5 exposures). Target focus per product/combo: women in general, but if you wanna get hair color/ethnicity/age-specific feel free.

Another question: Is there such a thing as sexual fallout?