(06-04-2015 4:26 PM)RTBoss Wrote:  My mind has come back 'round to focusing on fallout again. Oh boy. I just can't help myself. I'm sure some of this will be overlap with other threads, but I'd like to get a lot of information packed into one place - and in a more organized manner.

Fallout - You are the only thing the target (or unintended target!) thinks about. Ever. You get in the way of living a normal, healthy life. Stalker-mentality.

Imprint - You stick out in the target's mind as special, but the target can focus on living a normal life. They can even get by without seeing you, or hearing from you every day. You're just a little special part of it, and the person will think of you with a heart-smile.

While it's my personal opinion that fallout is something that I don't think is "good" - especially when you're a married man, , it's an effect that I would find fascinating to witness firsthand. I have not, up to this point, in my testing experience.

For fallout to happen, you need to be come across as very, very special. So special, that you become necessary for a person to go on living. You're like their favorite new TV show to obsess over, ice cream they can't go a day without, or maybe you even trigger a daddy-complex!

It's about taking a big brick, and hitting someone over the head with a shocking revelation: Wow, I never realized you were so fuckin' sexy/hot/manly/"big-time"/reliable/amazing - whatever. You need your vibe to go straight through to the subconscious in a big way. In other words, for whatever reason, the target is suddenly crushin' on you - hardcore.

Fallout Molecules vs. Imprint Molecules (notwithstanding secret ingredients)

Does Imprint + Imprint + Imprint + Imprint = Fallout?

Is there such thing as a one-time exposure = Instant Stalker? (good name for a mix, eh!?)

Fallout Killers - Molecules that remove fallout potential of known Fallout Molecules.

Stand alone products
Combos of stand alone products and/or single molecules

So far, molecules and products listed in this thread:

Products
Nude Alpha
A314
API
Cohesion (?)
Connections (?)
Crush
Instant Honesty
Instant Gentleman (?)
Instant Shine
New Pheromone Additive

Molecules
P83
P96
A-1 (androstadienone)
Beta-androstenol
Alpha and beta -Androsterone
Beta-THDOC
TAF

Combinations
NA + A-1
New Pheromone Additive + A-1
A314 + P96 + P83
???

Purported Products (?)
Xist
Voodoo
GOA
Alpha Treasures
Captain
Imprint

Potential Fallout Killers (?)
DHEA
DHEAS
Alpha-androstenol
P102 (EpiAlloPregnenolone?)
-therefore no: Xist, Bliss, Love Boat, Cohesion, Connections (too much a-nol?), Vibes, Fantasy, Ascend (any others?)

"Reset" Products (and what the hell do they have to do with imprinting and/or fallout, if anything?)
Bliss
Xist
Escape the Friend Zone

Calling all fallout experts! - theorists, and experienced testers!

Let's focus on products that should be left on the shelf, as well as products that are sure-fire (i.e. products/combinations that create fallout within 1-5 exposures). Target focus per product/combo: women in general, but if you wanna get hair color/ethnicity/age-specific feel free.

Another question: Is there such a thing as sexual fallout?

Haha! That last question i would like to know as well!! But as for instant fallout idk, i was thinking that Voodoo could help with that over several exposures though. Using Voodoo has been a weird journey, going from hardly noticed or kept in mind to not being the center of attention but holding a place within the minds of others, kind of um... unguided if you will. It has this undirected horniness to it, as if the target doesn't know why, but i believe that this product does what it says if you apply yourself to making your presence known, much like any of Garry's products. The thing i like about Voodoo is the easy appeal it has, it smells great and that gets things to go smooth to begin with when talkijg to someone, and from what I've seen with my own eyes, it gets women talking, and gets them fidgeting in a good way ;) Instant? No but it does begin to work quickly, and you can definitely see the changes in people's demeanor within even so much as 3-5 exposures. Its subtle but if you have keen observation skills you'll catch it. Took me a second to catch it though so hopefully my mistakes in observation can be bypassed by the rest of you guys

On Beta Androstenol, i hear that a great combo to see where things are is 50mcg betanolor even 100mcg and something like P96, TAC, or even Voodoo would get thek confortable enough to admit ceryain things to you if you have made your impression already but have yet to find if she has fallen victim and want to know where yall stand. I have yet to try this though since i don't have Beta Androstenol yet :/

I find that definition of Fallout to be very extreme. For me fallout does not necessarily means stalker behaviour. it can be a lot milder; it's when the other person constantly thinks of you and misses you.
Also, from my experience, Xist may induce fallout.

M.

(06-05-2015 3:09 PM)moe Wrote:  I find that definition of Fallout to be very extreme. For me fallout does not necessarily means stalker behaviour. it can be a lot milder; it's when the other person constantly thinks of you and misses you.

Only if they act on it in some significant way - otherwise what use it the mix?

And RTBoss, though I haven't tried it, MX353 is considered to cause sexual fallout in some targets - you might take a look at this.

As to fallout products, don't forget that it's important to have non-fallout-inducing molecules in there as well. Avoiding the fallout killers is obvious, but there are a few particularly useful molecules that should be mentioned for fallout combos:

TAA/Androsterone Sulfate
MeO-NOL
XSR37/P90
P74
Epiandrosterone

CORE contains both of the first two, no mix contains XSR37, but A314 Rev24 Superfine Edition used to contain it. I've detected P74 and Epiandrosterone in Wolf and Overdose (both also contain DHEA, avoid for fallout).

On another note, I've been working on a fallout mix for PXS that, will contain a variety of molecules intended to produce fallout and/or to complement the fallout-producing molecules. At the very least, this will include Androsterone Sulfate, MeO-NOL, XSR37, P74, Beta-THDOC (still think this is P83) and PEA among others. For the lattermost molecule specifically, I believe PEA may be the most potent molecule for assisting in a fallout mix, when used with A314 or, less-so, another alpha mix. It can be problematic, but I may have found a way to fix this molecule without increasing the dose - in fact, I'm intending to use this one in the nanogram range. I don't any more information at the moment - if anyone's interested, feel free to PM me. (Shameless self-promotion, hehe. )

(06-07-2015 5:29 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  Only if they act on it in some significant way - otherwise what use it the mix?

And RTBoss, though I haven't tried it, MX353 is considered to cause sexual fallout in some targets - you might take a look at this.

As to fallout products, don't forget that it's important to have non-fallout-inducing molecules in there as well. Avoiding the fallout killers is obvious, but there are a few particularly useful molecules that should be mentioned for fallout combos:

TAA/Androsterone Sulfate
MeO-NOL
XSR37/P90
P74
Epiandrosterone

CORE contains both of the first two, no mix contains XSR37, but A314 Rev24 Superfine Edition used to contain it. I've detected P74 and Epiandrosterone in Wolf and Overdose (both also contain DHEA, avoid for fallout).

On another note, I've been working on a fallout mix for PXS that, will contain a variety of molecules intended to produce fallout and/or to complement the fallout-producing molecules. At the very least, this will include Androsterone Sulfate, MeO-NOL, XSR37, P74, Beta-THDOC (still think this is P83) and PEA among others. For the lattermost molecule specifically, I believe PEA may be the most potent molecule for assisting in a fallout mix, when used with A314 or, less-so, another alpha mix. It can be problematic, but I may have found a way to fix this molecule without increasing the dose - in fact, I'm intending to use this one in the nanogram range. I don't any more information at the moment - if anyone's interested, feel free to PM me. (Shameless self-promotion, hehe. )

What is this XSR37 you speak of? I have seen in on PXS and was thinking of getting it to test out. But i was waiting on testing out this P135 i got. I am still testing it to see what its effects are on the public but have to wait until tomorrow and the rest of this week to test out. I dont see anything really even between 5-20mcg so im thinking of pushing it up. Though tomorrow may not be a good day since i have finals xD.

Fallout sounds great. I love my stalkers. As long as they're cute and DTF, sometimes I even date them. But I'm kind of an attention whore.

That's kind of what I'm looking for, i need some fallout happening because it would be a nice change of pace, and maybe oh so maybe i can dust of this bad boy i haven't used in a while lol, its been gathering cobwebs...

(06-07-2015 8:28 PM)pherosloth Wrote:  What is this XSR37 you speak of? I have seen in on PXS and was thinking of getting it to test out. But i was waiting on testing out this P135 i got. I am still testing it to see what its effects are on the public but have to wait until tomorrow and the rest of this week to test out. I dont see anything really even between 5-20mcg so im thinking of pushing it up. Though tomorrow may not be a good day since i have finals xD.

XSR37 is a smoother, Epi-Androsterone-like molecule. I believe it to be P90, based on my tests so far. No one else appears to have reported on this one yet.

If you're not seeing any results with P135, try combining it with something else you have a good handle on rather than pushing the dose. Not all molecules do much on their own.

(06-10-2015 2:46 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  XSR37 is a smoother, Epi-Androsterone-like molecule. I believe it to be P90, based on my tests so far. No one else appears to have reported on this one yet.

If you're not seeing any results with P135, try combining it with something else you have a good handle on rather than pushing the dose. Not all molecules do much on their own.

That's kind of what i was thinking in terms of P135. I have a really good handle on Ascend, maybe ill try it with that. Or maybe ill try it with P96, since P96 is a synergestic phero and it wpuld probably balance it out with my own sig. Yeah i did a bit of reading on P90 and XSR37 and it seems to be one of those staple mones to have. I would get it but since like P83, P90 is not shown on AD's product pages. I have Androstadienone incoming plus a bottle of Kore and some sample goodies as Thundr put it hahah! Im so ready to try out Androstadienone with so much stuff ive been reading on it. I have imprint, but im sure that Androstadienone is probably more powerful in some aspects by itself than Imprint. Though imprint is a good product in my estimation it needs a bit of guidance. In a way, Garry's Voodoo reminds me much of Imprint in their effects, scent, and how they imprint on the target, unguided but with possibility for whatever direction you may wish to go.

(06-11-2015 12:32 AM)pherosloth Wrote:  That's kind of what i was thinking in terms of P135. I have a really good handle on Ascend, maybe ill try it with that. Or maybe ill try it with P96, since P96 is a synergestic phero and it wpuld probably balance it out with my own sig. Yeah i did a bit of reading on P90 and XSR37 and it seems to be one of those staple mones to have. I would get it but since like P83, P90 is not shown on AD's product pages. I have Androstadienone incoming plus a bottle of Kore and some sample goodies as Thundr put it hahah! Im so ready to try out Androstadienone with so much stuff ive been reading on it. I have imprint, but im sure that Androstadienone is probably more powerful in some aspects by itself than Imprint. Though imprint is a good product in my estimation it needs a bit of guidance. In a way, Garry's Voodoo reminds me much of Imprint in their effects, scent, and how they imprint on the target, unguided but with possibility for whatever direction you may wish to go.

P90 won't be available at Androtics again, from what I hear - too expensive, though it can be made. Here's a link for XSR37, should you ever decide to try it out. https://pheromonexs.com/pheromone-molecu...xsr37.html

And yes, I'd consider P90/XSR37 a must-have, without a doubt. Epiandrosterone used to take that spot for me, but XSR37 is simply better in every way.

(06-11-2015 6:55 PM)Ekscentra Wrote:  P90 won't be available at Androtics again, from what I hear - too expensive, though it can be made. Here's a link for XSR37, should you ever decide to try it out. https://pheromonexs.com/pheromone-molecu...xsr37.html

And yes, I'd consider P90/XSR37 a must-have, without a doubt. Epiandrosterone used to take that spot for me, but XSR37 is simply better in every way.

EKscentra thanks for the insight on XSR37, what dosage u suggest to get noticeable effect?

an other question which PXS product is similar to MX353?