(05-21-2011 5:43 PM)JAYCEE Wrote:  To be a devil's advocate, why would I pay my fair share for an analysis since I'm gonna find out what the P is anyway without paying? Where's my incentive to pay?

Is there going to be a part of the forum that's locked (like blind testing) to non-participants? If so, won't the information eventually trickle out anyway?

That's an option, but one I'd rather not resort to.

I like the idea of contributers being able to get the molecules at cost or at least a reduced price, and profits from non contributers funding additional programs and molecule analysis. That way anyone who ends up buying molecules that have been identified ends up contributing, whther they want to or not.

Of course that probably couldn't last forever and someone would have to be willing to sell the molecules under those conditions.

And, for any molecule testing projects, only those that do contribute could participate.

Great idea guys!!!

We need also a putative list. What putatives are most important? And what happens with putatives like P88? It's out, but everyone want it?

Jasmine said that P88 is just a rough version of P93. When we know the molar mass of P93 we will also know P88. They are the same molecule but made to a different spec. It is the impurities in P88 that make it better than P93.

Anything Jasmine has ever said is highly suspect, as far as I'm concerned.

Regardless, we'll only be able to analyze molecules we can actually get. Unless someone has some left...

I'm running low on some, but I've got P74, 75, 76, 79, 83, 86, 87, 91, 92, 96, 100 and 104, and TAA, TAC, TAF, TAK.

And, I know where we could probably get the rest.

Yeah, if someone is willing to give up his P88 for testing we can check for sure, otherwise we are stuck with what Jasmine said about it.

What exactly are we waiting on? We need a mass spectrometer, a dollar amount, and a P sample, right?

Which P is going first? Do we need a poll? Are we going to do the ones long out of stock first?

I'm thinking P86, P75, P93, TAC, TAA, P79.

It will really help when we see the price tag...

I'll work on the price come monday / early next week. If steraloids wont do it, there's a hundred other labs that do mass spec., and I have the steraloids index with all of the molecular weights.

We should need a few mLs of any P series without fragrance.

Currently, I have TAA, TAC, P74, P83, P93 - enough of each for testing.

Quote:Are we going to do the ones long out of stock first?

If it's out of stock by androtics that usually means it is not commercially available and will require synthesis. I have some very skilled chemists I work with for synthesis, however the cost will be at least $2,500 for a batch of any particular chemical to be made and made affordably. We should stick to the ones that are in stock.

P83 is definitely 1 interesting molecule that I would love to know. Disinhibitor, amplifier, kinos, sex.. the 4 effects that GUYS would LOVE have been experienced with this molecule. What exactly is this? A hybrid/mutant Androstanone and nol? WHAT IS IT..?

OK folks, I've installed and configured the PayPal plugin, so we can move on this as soon as Chris is ready.

But, we still have a few details to iron out, such as:

What benefit will those that contribute to the project receive in return? Other than knowing the molecular names of the putatives.

I like the idea of contributers being able to purchase identified molecule at cost or at least a greatly reduced cost for maybe a year or so. But, we need a source that would be willing to do so. Maybe Chris would be willing to, as it would benefit his company as well, but if not, we'd need to look elsewhere.

But, even that has loopholes: If someone contributes $1.00 does that give them the right to buy molecules at cost? I say no! So, then we need to establish a threshold for what contribution amount should entitle a person to the discounted price.

Next, we have to decide on how to select molecules for testing, which ones to test and in what order.

I don't expect that we will have the funding to have all the molecules we're interested in tested at once, and expect this to be an ongoing project, at least for a little while. And, there will be molecules that some members are more intersted in having identified than others, and if we announce each putative that were planning to test in advance it could take longer to fund or and/or place the cost burden on fewer people.

My suggestion would be that we identify all the putative we plan on having analyzed in advance, but to randomly select the molecule testing order as the project proceeds. That should insure that the project proceeds quickly and doesn't stall waiting on collecting funds to have any molecule tested.

Finally, we need to decide whether to release molecule names to everyone, or just a secret society of those that did contribute. I like to idea of releasing the names to everyone, including those that didn't or couldn't contribute because I feel that's what this forum is about, but if more of you wanted to keep it secret, we could create a private forum that only contributers could access.

So, as I see it, those are our sticking points and I'd like your input and thoughts on how we should handle them. And of course if you can think of any others, please point them out as well.

If i may just throw out some random ideas:

Maybe a fund raiser with support from the vendors?
We can still buy our favourite products but with a portion of the proceeds going to the general pot?

I would very much prefer the information to be out as well for it to be critiqued. A form of incentive to contribute may probably come in the form of getting first hand release, rather than waiting a time period of say 6 months? Or we could aim for the release of one P a month, something like that. That might generate more interest for the forum as well.

If we could get a partial sponsor from a vendor that would be great too. They will of course have exclusive knowledge of the results for a pre determined time to use for their products, not to mention first mover's advantage (outside AD) and access to a sizable amount of reports already done up. The said sponsors will probably get monopoly to supply the mones for it too.

Chris seems like a great guy *hint hint* hahahaha