GO HERE: http://boldanddetermined.com/2012/08/19/...ne-levels/


read it once. then read it again.
then...
share what you think.....

Agree with the "low testosterone" premise, what with all the toxic chemicals and GMO bullshit that's going around these days.

Disagree with the methodology to combat the issue - the article is written to push synthetic test. There are other ways of upping T-levels without having to shoot/slather oneself up with pharmaceuticals.

Given my track record with prescription pharmaceuticals that do absolutely jack-shit at solving root problems and merely treat (and gradually worsen) symptoms, you can understand why I now avoid them as much as possible.

An alternative pharmaceutical route, with far less or no side effects, than traditional TRT is Clomid, or clomiphene citrate, at a small dose of 25 mg/day. Minimal to no side effects documented and normalized test levels.

In the supplement arena, d-aspartic acid is worth checking out.

(02-12-2015 4:15 PM)kimosabe Wrote:  Agree with the "low testosterone" premise, what with all the toxic chemicals and GMO bullshit that's going around these days.

Disagree with the methodology to combat the issue - the article is written to push synthetic test. There are other ways of upping T-levels without having to shoot/slather oneself up with pharmaceuticals.

Given my track record with prescription pharmaceuticals that do absolutely jack-shit at solving root problems and merely treat (and gradually worsen) symptoms, you can understand why I now avoid them as much as possible.

I AM NOT ARGUING WITH GENTLEMAN. JUST STIR UP SOME THOUGHTS FOR A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION. NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN OR START AN ARGUMENT

"the article is written to push synthetic test"
think about it? what reason would he have to push it? its not like he is selling it on his website lol. think about it.

"There are other ways of upping T-levels without having to shoot/slather oneself up with pharmaceuticals."
FALSE. all the natural ways STILL do not push your T levels to a normal range. they dont come close to TRT or what you should be if you have natural T levels
also, something as simple as eating a Snickers bar would negate all the gains you get from natural alternatives. IF YOU PLAN ON NEVER EATING SUGAR, NEVER EATING/DRINKING ANYTHING OUT OF PLASTIC, NEVER EATING OUT TO RESTAUARANTS, NEVER GOING TO SUPERMARKETS ETC ETC ETC.....THAT IS THE ONLY was you can be successful naturally


"Given my track record with prescription pharmaceuticals that do absolutely jack-shit at solving root problems and merely treat (and gradually worsen) symptoms, you can understand why I now avoid them as much as possible."
uhhhhh....this is pheromones lol

PLUS a majority of us got attracted to this site because we wanted more women. which if you havent noticed....gender roles are changing. women are being placed on a pedastal and we are being emasculated.

on top of that, as other people can attest, modern science helps all.
i have a serotonin deficiency and i HAVE to take serotonin inhibitor or i literally am MUSH. i can not operate in the world at all. simply because my body does not produce enough serotonin. not "my" problem per se, but just the way my body operates. i tried doing it natural. mediatation, raw food diet, psychedelics, etc etc etc....nothing helped
EXCEPT Lexapro
I am able to function and live a normal life
people who take insulin shots for diabetes etc etc etc
MODERN SCIENCE SAVES THE DAY, AGAIN AND AGAIN


look around you guys, go out in public. men are turning into women, its really scary

Most people exercises these days..

I think diet has made the biggest impact on declining test levels.. Not just what people choose to eat but what in the name of science the food industry has done to the crops and animal products consumed these days. Also more heavily pushed bottled water containing estrogenic compounds.

The fact is that my generation had higher levels of test than the kids these days.. My parents generation had even higher test than mine.. And my grandfathers generation had higher test levels than my fathers...

If you spot a mature man with raging test levels whose not on roids , bow to him because his kind is one of a dying breed.

Dsouza

exactly.

masculinity is dying

if a women wants birth control (1 of the most unnatural things ever), she can get it

if someone wants a sex change, hey, no problem

breast implants, etc etc etc

the list goes on...

say, "hey doc, i want to be more masculine..."

its frowned upon

masculinity is dying....

(02-12-2015 9:43 PM)lifeisgood7 Wrote:  I AM NOT ARGUING WITH GENTLEMAN. JUST STIR UP SOME THOUGHTS FOR A MEANINGFUL DISCUSSION. NOT TRYING TO BE MEAN OR START AN ARGUMENT

"the article is written to push synthetic test"
think about it? what reason would he have to push it? its not like he is selling it on his website lol. think about it.

"There are other ways of upping T-levels without having to shoot/slather oneself up with pharmaceuticals."
FALSE. all the natural ways STILL do not push your T levels to a normal range. they dont come close to TRT or what you should be if you have natural T levels
also, something as simple as eating a Snickers bar would negate all the gains you get from natural alternatives. IF YOU PLAN ON NEVER EATING SUGAR, NEVER EATING/DRINKING ANYTHING OUT OF PLASTIC, NEVER EATING OUT TO RESTAUARANTS, NEVER GOING TO SUPERMARKETS ETC ETC ETC.....THAT IS THE ONLY was you can be successful naturally


"Given my track record with prescription pharmaceuticals that do absolutely jack-shit at solving root problems and merely treat (and gradually worsen) symptoms, you can understand why I now avoid them as much as possible."
uhhhhh....this is pheromones lol

PLUS a majority of us got attracted to this site because we wanted more women. which if you havent noticed....gender roles are changing. women are being placed on a pedastal and we are being emasculated.

on top of that, as other people can attest, modern science helps all.
i have a serotonin deficiency and i HAVE to take serotonin inhibitor or i literally am MUSH. i can not operate in the world at all. simply because my body does not produce enough serotonin. not "my" problem per se, but just the way my body operates. i tried doing it natural. mediatation, raw food diet, psychedelics, etc etc etc....nothing helped
EXCEPT Lexapro
I am able to function and live a normal life
people who take insulin shots for diabetes etc etc etc
MODERN SCIENCE SAVES THE DAY, AGAIN AND AGAIN


look around you guys, go out in public. men are turning into women, its really scary

This. Enough said.

http://www.thumotic.com/testosterone-the...young-men/

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2013/01/17/...t-therapy/

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2013/11/12/...erapy-trt/

http://www.dangerandplay.com/2013/10/02/...executive/


"It’s illogical that a woman who wants to “become” a man can take male hormones but a man who wants to become more of a man cannot.

Why is it wrong for a man to take something to make him a better man while it’s right for a woman to take a drug to become a man?"

Wow, this thread makes so much sense.
I feel like this has a lot to do with the whole LGBT/gender identity fuss that's been cropping up more in recent years.

yes, theyve been killing the male identity

mentally=putting women on a pedestal, making them the ultimate sex object yet unattainable, men are stupid, and only want sex, women are smarter, the best type of man is a sensitive man

physically=leeching testosterone out of DNA, the estrogen water, plastics, bad hormones, chicken, beef, fruits, veges, estrogen everywhere

without any male leaders, we become a very docile society....sheeple