Alright guys, this ones a little personal. As some of you were aware, a couple of months ago, my friend couldn't stop beating the meat. It got to a point where it was affecting his relationship, his attraction, and his general demeanor.

I helped him overcome that through some weird tactics, but so far he's good. He lapses every once in a while, but he's getting better.

Unfortunately, and sadly I'm in his situation. Except mine is a little worse. I don't know when it started, but when it did it became very frequent. I was doing it a couple of times of week. Why? I don't know, but mostly because of boredom with anything else, and the stimuli I get from looking at sexy ass chicks.

I recently tried to stop, and deleted the favorites I had for various "stimuli" and everything. I lasted about a week and a half, and then relapsed. Relapses happen, but its to the point now where I need to do something about it because I feel like shit after it. It's not that easy for those thinking "if he feels like shit, why not just fucking stop".. trust me, I argue about this with myself every single time. Therefore, I'm posting this thread here, instead of my journal.

I'm calling on my family online to assist me and assist themselves. I need to tell someone about it, but the forum provides more of a anonymity aspect that I think I can use. By sharing my goals, it'll only drive me to keep them because that's just how the human brain works, so I'm thinking of giving it a go.

I know there are some in the same shoes, or a worse position, and I'd like to call on every single one of you (women included) to take the NO FAP challenge with me.

I'm going to go fap-free as of today, and although I won't be documenting day by day events for no reason, I'm going to be honest to myself, and you, and report back IF lapses occur. Which they won't.

If you guys would like to join me, post here, just stating that you're in, and you can share why if you'd like. The support is needed from you guys, because I've been struggling internally with this for a while, and found this my only outlet.

Thanks PT!

EDIT: For those that don't know what "fapping" means - masturbating.

Good idea, I had begun reading into some of those theories myself recently, and it does make a lot of sense. A lot of things in society seems designed to keep control over people who are unaware. This is one of them, things are too available and it appears normal when it is not.

Japan seems to have the worst of it, because things are everywhere. You have what is called the Herbivore men, and it's an alarmingly large number of guys who have no interest in a real girlfriend and basically prefer their imaginary cartoon girlfriends. I think the connection can be made but perhaps it can be more complicated than that as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbivore_men

One of the most popular pop stars in Japan isn't even real, that should tell you something.

Basically, they're not straight anymore.

However, in South Korea, porn is illegal and cannot be accessed easily.

I do not often do it but the few times I do it fucks everything up.

Let me explain and I have noticed this for about 10 yrs now so its not just a hunch. Say you bang a chick then you do not get any for the next week or 2 bc she or the others are busy or raggin or just being bitches. You are tempted to empty out. NO. Its like one of those video games.. c-c-c-c combo breaker. It messes everything up. I cannot explain whether this is metaphysical or hormonal, its one of those things that just "is".

This is going to come as extremely manwhorish now, but whatever. You develop a link with the last chick you banged. If you jerk it you break this link. It is much easier to ride this link until you either bang her again or use the momentum to nab another female. IME if you spank it off in between you mess everything up and oddly not only can you not bang the chick you just railed for awhile but others are having none of it either. The downtime of sex is your penalty for settling for the hand instead of the real thing. Man I cant explain it and it probably sounds crazy but fuck it.

The only advantage to jerking off it that it decreases neediness and occasionally is necessary. Sometimes your balls just hurt and you have to do what you gotta do. But be forewarned that there is a hefty price of cyclic downward spiral that accompanies this.

When I get all charged up and am ready to fuck madam palm I ask myself "am I ready to pay the price?" Sometimes its worth it yet often its not. This weakness later becomes an addictive pattern that all but destroys your ass getting capabilities until you stop. The desire for the real thing is overrun by self gratification on a constant basis.

When I am all charged up and ready to empty out, I do a quick workout. Throw some dumbells around pushups pullups go for a run.. anything you can do to avoid it. What you are doing here is BUILDING momentum and not reducing it. Try it, you will be surprised at how strangely this works.

http://www.realsubliminal.com/product/en...-addiction

This should curve your masturbating. Sorry I never purchased it as I never needed it. So you will have to buy it and give it to your friend also. Add the silent one to the subs you are already playing. Problem solved.

Too funny , trying to explain it! It's all about hormonal balance and physiological interactions: Nautre at it's best, deplete ANY chemical in the body and it is goig to react, deplete one that others can sense and they are going to react.

Maybe its not quite that simple cause looking back there's been more than once I've depleted that supply several times in several days and if anything the effect on others was better instead of lesser, so maybe it's not entirely phisiological but natures way of punishing, but yeah I agree, play with Peter and Paige is probably not gonna want to get anywhere near it.

How to break the urge? when it calls get your ass dressed and go somwhere where there's women! And talk to them! Soon enough you'll be back in the saddle.

(02-06-2013 11:57 PM)thundr Wrote:  This is going to come as extremely manwhorish now, but whatever. You develop a link with the last chick you banged. If you jerk it you break this link. It is much easier to ride this link until you either bang her again or use the momentum to nab another female. IME if you spank it off in between you mess everything up and oddly not only can you not bang the chick you just railed for awhile but others are having none of it either. The downtime of sex is your penalty for settling for the hand instead of the real thing. Man I cant explain it and it probably sounds crazy but fuck it.

The only advantage to jerking off it that it decreases neediness and occasionally is necessary. Sometimes your balls just hurt and you have to do what you gotta do. But be forewarned that there is a hefty price of cyclic downward spiral that accompanies this.

When I get all charged up and am ready to fuck madam palm I ask myself "am I ready to pay the price?" Sometimes its worth it yet often its not. This weakness later becomes an addictive pattern that all but destroys your ass getting capabilities until you stop. The desire for the real thing is overrun by self gratification on a constant basis.

When I am all charged up and ready to empty out, I do a quick workout. Throw some dumbells around pushups pullups go for a run.. anything you can do to avoid it. What you are doing here is BUILDING momentum and not reducing it. Try it, you will be surprised at how strangely this works.

This is exactly why I'm taking on the no fap challenge. I can completely relate to the "link". This one white chick that I'm keeping at a fuck buddy thing, is ON MY NUTS after we have sex, and for some reason, if I masturbate, we don't talk for a couple weeks at a time.. I won't even have to be exposed to her. It's not worth it for me, and that's exactly what its doing. When I didn't fap for a week or so, I was on my A-game with girls, texts, interactions, and everything. It was like a magic "player" button had been turned on. I was a lot more risque, way less nervous, and just more confident overall. I relapsed and it's time for me to take back control.

Thanks a bunch for the detailed response about the stimuli and what it leads to. I workout 4x a week, but my drive hasn't gone down at all. Like the more intense I workout, the more I want to employ the help of five-finger Betsy, and the more often it happens. I just need to control my urge, or immediately remove myself from the situation.. which is kind of hard.

(02-07-2013 12:17 AM)as33156 Wrote:  http://www.realsubliminal.com/product/en...-addiction

This should curve your masturbating. Sorry I never purchased it as I never needed it. So you will have to buy it and give it to your friend also. Add the silent one to the subs you are already playing. Problem solved.

No apology needed bro, it's not your job or responsibility to provide us with subs! Thanks for the link though, I'll definitely look into getting it, first comes the will power to succeed.

(02-07-2013 12:23 AM)mark-in-dallas Wrote:  Maybe its not quite that simple cause looking back there's been more than once I've depleted that supply several times in several days and if anything the effect on others was better instead of lesser, so maybe it's not entirely phisiological but natures way of punishing, but yeah I agree, play with Peter and Paige is probably not gonna want to get anywhere near it.

How to break the urge? when it calls get your ass dressed and go somwhere where there's women! And talk to them! Soon enough you'll be back in the saddle.

Yes that's one way of doing it, but during the week when all I do is come home and want to relax.. it just so happens to end with an explosion. literally. sorry for the image there. anyways, gotta work one step at a time, I'm definitely going to limit my time alone, or my late night hang out sessions alone on the computer.. that always seems to spark it.


Thanks all for the direct and indirect support so far, it means a lot.

The link is the best way I could describe it. I wish it were just as simple as chemicals and hormones and psychological activity. Hell it would b a lot easier to figure out then. Call me superstitious but the link is the best I have come up with in over 10 yrs of noticing this.

Totally agree that self altering certain chem concentrations can affect physiological and psychological association but strangely it goes a bit deeper than that. Even chicks who you have had plans with for days will text or call breaking plans after you spank it. Or worse you go out and she ends up being on the rag and is one of those no blow girls.

I used to think I was just being over analytical about the link but the more you pay attention to it the more it manifests. Too many times over the years to be mere coincidence. It's like an invisible cock block. I know it sounds crazy but I used to run through a good amount of girls, even more than now, to peg his one as being something truly fucked up beyond interactions and chemicals.

I think it goes along the lines of that weird stuff that happens. Ever have one of those days the phone doesn't ring for hours and hours. Yet some day you forget your phone when u go out for a bite to eat and come back to 3 missed calls and 8 texts. Or Like when u break up with a girl and dnt hear from her for days then u nail an old fwb at her house and the next day the ex is all on your nuts. No way she found out that fast. It's like she felt it. It's weird shit like that.

The link is my best guess trying to figure out this freaky shit. My screwed up brain can't really come up with anything better than that yet. Lol

*pushes rock from man cave* So your NOT suppose to fap 2-3 times a day?

damn, ill join up too. i've been fapping way too much and i guess its a big reason why i don't have that.... drive,per say lately. like life is cock blocking me.
i think your on to something thundr, when i haven't fapped for a while i felt awesome and wanting to cold approach and idk...be a man!

but the strangest thing is if i Have Phone Sex, its not as bad. strange....

Curiosity, why did your post made me both want to never fap and want to just suddenly go to japan, and become IRL barny stetson,pretty much most of PT

(02-07-2013 1:16 AM)thundr Wrote:  The link is my best guess trying to figure out this freaky shit. My screwed up brain can't really come up with anything better than that yet. Lol

It's almost like that coveted primal instinct kicks in and the girls just know that somethings up. It's weird in a way, but I think it goes back to that "gut feeling" in certain situations, where you just know how shits going to end up, even though it could likely go the other way, usually it doesn't and you're like, fuck you brain, I told you so..

Girls may have that link, and I think it's increased after you have sex with the girl. They just know what's up. It's something I've silently been noticing but every time me and NT have a session, the other chick almost always hits me up that same night, without fail.. it'd be an interesting topic of research.

(02-07-2013 6:41 AM)solidprice Wrote:  damn, ill join up too. i've been fapping way too much and i guess its a big reason why i don't have that.... drive,per say lately. like life is cock blocking me.

Join up bro, that way we can compare experiences and whatnot! Glad I'm not in this alone.

I'm down to quit fapping (haha never heard that term before). I too have noticed this strange effect, but wrote it off as coincidence

Good-bye rosy palm!