So AV doesn't work well around friends who know your personality well and have pegged you but what about FEMALE friends? Any chance AV will help cast a new light on you and help them see you in a new way? Possibly even out of friendzone?

Sidenote: I had ordered AV a couple years back.. Got it in Acqua Di GIO. Turns out it worked well the first few times at 2 drops after that even 1 drop would give me headaches like crazy... I just ordered it last night but this time unscented.. I want to make sure it wasn't the scent that was causing headaches.

(06-11-2016 5:30 AM)dsouza Wrote:  So AV doesn't work well around friends who know your personality well and have pegged you but what about FEMALE friends? Any chance AV will help cast a new light on you and help them see you in a new way? Possibly even out of friendzone?

Sidenote: I had ordered AV a couple years back.. Got it in Acqua Di GIO. Turns out it worked well the first few times at 2 drops after that even 1 drop would give me headaches like crazy... I just ordered it last night but this time unscented.. I want to make sure it wasn't the scent that was causing headaches.

I usually apply AV scented on my back or torso to soften the self effects. I've tested it on a FF baseline guinea pig, and she reacts similar as to when she's exposed to BW, but with a bit more submission and respect.

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(06-11-2016 5:30 AM)dsouza Wrote:  So AV doesn't work well around friends who know your personality well and have pegged you but what about FEMALE friends? Any chance AV will help cast a new light on you and help them see you in a new way? Possibly even out of friendzone?

Sidenote: I had ordered AV a couple years back.. Got it in Acqua Di GIO. Turns out it worked well the first few times at 2 drops after that even 1 drop would give me headaches like crazy... I just ordered it last night but this time unscented.. I want to make sure it wasn't the scent that was causing headaches.

Yes you can. I was speaking of mixed groups with couples and buddies. . Solo or pure female give it a whirl. . I have and sometimes treated like a perv, but oddly wearing socials and Androstadienone the next go round it was like I moved the dial. . In other words while the prior occasion was sort of negative it seemed to open up a thought like the guy who antagonizes a girl and that secretly arouses her. . This is a very limited test bed tho so ymmv

I've spent the last week or so running Aqua Vitae in varying amounts. I actually applied more every few hours just to see if I could overdo it.

There's definitely a lot of intimidation if you don't drive the mix properly. You have to be friendly and sociable. Otherwise you run the risk of looking like you're 7 different kinds of arrogant. With that said, about 90% of the time you have someone that looks uncomfortable or unfriendly, you can just flash a wide smile and the barrier just melts away.

You can also soften the signature with some Androstadienone and/or socials. I personally like to add a pump of SXD-9 (idea courtesy of Ekscentra) to the forearms and some Androstadienone to the palms (20 - 40 mcg). Occasionally, I'll throw in a few inches of Hypnotica, though it isn't necessary.

As far as using Aqua Vitae around friends, I haven't run into any problems. The first minute seems to be awkward for them as they try to figure out what's different about you. Once they've gotten used to it, they seem to attribute your new pheromone signature to new things going on in your life, new positive outlook, change in diet/training regimen, etc.

One final observation (one that others have made note of) is the stellar service you receive while wearing Aqua Vitae. I've had to wait little to no time at all for a table, drink at a bar, help retrieving something from a locked case, etc. Everyone is always very eager to help you and offer their own recommendations when asked.

I hear AV is a great seduction tool.

However, some have said AV doesn't work well with NEGS..

How many people think this is really true? ARE YOU SURE???

(06-21-2016 2:51 AM)dsouza Wrote:  I hear AV is a great seduction tool.

However, some have said AV doesn't work well with NEGS..

How many people think this is really true? ARE YOU SURE???

If a woman has ever been to a bar once, she has already been negged 5 times. If she has more than 1 female friend, her friend has probably told her about negs and how PUA's use them. I think you're from Toronto right? It's probably worse there because that city is overrun with PUAs but even here in the US "negging" has been featured on magazines, tv shows, and female celebrities make jokes about it. Everyone knows what they are. The only person who I know, who doesn't know (or at least didn't know) about negs was my cousin who I went with to a bar when she turned 21, she was confused as to why all the guys are being such assholes and being rude and my girlfriend had to explain that they were trying to pick her up by negging her. My girlfriend knows nothing about pua or that i've read that type of material but she knew how to explain it and my cousin laughed and said "oh is that what Jennifer Lawrence was talking about" and then they laughed.

Remember that PUA material came as an alternative to guys who didn't have good looks, muscles, or whatever. They tried to take a "shortcut" to attraction by being a "high value male" because when women are attracted to a guy, they become insecure. The point of negging was to convey 2 things:

1) you don't care about her because you have other attractive women
2) to make her insecure around you, and have her confuse that for attraction

It worked in the past, maybe up to about 2010 but after hollywood caught on it became dead. Just see for yourself on twitter:

https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vert...2&src=typd

The reason why negs aren't really good to use with high status products like AV is because the girl is already attracted and insecure, imagine if a supermodel came up to you, flirted, and then negged you? You would probably feel like shit after that but for women it's 100x more powerful in a negative way.

Maybe i'm biased because I always hated negs and refused to ever use them, if a woman is on a "pedestal" I don't want to "bring her down" but rather convey that we're both at the same level or maybe even bring her up to my level if she's insecure. Think of it as a king/queen frame, they are both royalty but the king is SLIGHTLY higher than the queen and playful teasing, not negging, is the best way to convey that.

Great summary. When I have acted like a cock on av I have seen kids cry and women flip out. Weak men scatter and real alphas will get in your face.

When I smile naturally and project a positive attitude it works great 70% so my feeling is that it beautifies and alphas or nones you up. If I don't give approachibilty cues folks can be like towns folk in a western before a gun fight.

I am not good at the negs or pua. I would suspect this the negs could embed you in the persons mind for sexual imprinting but it could go horribly wrong too...

While I get good hits and looks with av I find it risky and hard to control and I would say 1 in 5 probably hate it or the smell.

I let it level off about an hour in and them I kick up the swagger.

I have recently found p96 helps me stay smoother on it.

@blitz,

True. I don't like PUA stuff. In my county, most girls don't know about neg. They have no idea. Still, giving a neg while wearing any pheromones or being above average looks is counterproductive. It took some time to figure it out. Now, I just flirt and be sweet.

I prefer to use teasing instead of negging. Teasing is very helpful. Still, you need to calibrate it more from the mood. Teasing at wrong time can be devastating. Girls might slap you or get angry on you.

It comes after spending a comfortable time with girls. It works on some very high value girls but only when she give you a shit test or a neg. I believe learning social calibration and other skills of human communication is far more important.

Most of us (pheromone users) need to just say "hi". Even with AV , you just need to say "hi". From there, you introduce yourself and play. I mean literally play with the girl like a kid. Nothing beats making her laugh.

Teasing come later in playing.

@Jimmy,

Haha... I can empathize with you. Now, I either use a social in a bad mood or try to smile as much as I can with high status product.

Reminds me. I need to do more testing with this stuff.

Neg= backhanded compliment "I like your shoes, but they make you look anorexic"


teasing= I like your shoes, but now your too tall for me (smiling)

I'd fall back on something someone said earlier in that AV is a polarizer in terms of interactions. Even teasing, I find that if the person exposed has a low self esteem or is stressed at that moment, the teasing is magnified.

My gut tells me that if you are working with someone who responds to drama, the Negs might have an effect (aka the polarizing negative creates drama). But do you want drama-feeders? Maybe if the goal is short term, it doesn't matter and it is worth the risk.