(06-04-2018 12:04 PM)MacCauley Wrote:  If you're not noticing anything from AV you're not applying enough. It's the most blatant product I've used. Negative AV hits would be inducing fear based responses in strangers.

To get a feel for the self effects you can take a deep sniff from the vial. Or put a couple of drops on your wrist and smell it a few times. Personally, I can't use AV without smelling my wrists a few times to get that extra boost. It's takes the experience to another level.

Okay thanks for confirming. I keep reading stories of people ghosting out on like 4 drops? That's never happened to me with any product, ever, but I decided to play it safe just in case. I applied an extra sample dab and felt a small pep in my step, but still can't tell if there are any reactions from those around me. Nothing blatant... I think... I'm just gonna say fuck it and put it on until I feel it's where I should be intuitively. I have no idea how to dose from a sample vile, so I'm just gonna play it by ear... or nose. Seems like the ghosting phenomenon is mostly a congruence issue and less of a mones issue.

Update:

WOW! THERE it is!

Added 3 more sample vile dabs after lunch... kapow! Selfies didn't hit instantly, it was like a gradual come up, but now I feel like my body is on fire with energy. It almost physically tickles, it's the weirdest sensation, yet super pleasant. I'm all smiles, and talking to everyone.

Just now, a guy who works in my building brought his parents for a tour of the office (commonplace) and at the end, they needed to turn their temporary security badges in somewhere, but no one was around to help, so I said I'd take them back for them. The parents were Chinese and didn't speak more than a few words of English, and yet when I took their badges from them, they smiled, bowed slightly (I bowed in return with a smile) and as they were about to go, the mom turns back around and smiles at me HUGE and says... "you... you have a very nice day!!!" and kept looking back as she left, smiling and waving. Wow. I think that was an AV hit. Can't wait to get around more people, but it seems like no one came into the office today! More testing needed! I'm also suddenly EXTREMELY drowsy now. This has been known to happen with certain mones for me. Voodoo does this to me as well. I just need some water, some caffeine, and some vitamins and I'll be fine.

(06-04-2018 3:43 PM)Corveus Wrote:  Okay thanks for confirming. I keep reading stories of people ghosting out on like 4 drops...Seems like the ghosting phenomenon is mostly a congruence issue and less of a mones issue.

I’ve tried the equivalent of 4-6 drops with the roll-on, without any ghosting or OD issues, as long you remain congruent with AV’s alpha/social VIP signature. You can’t just stand there and not interact...that’s why I believe some members were not seeing anything and claim they were ghosting out with it.

What I find it does is that it builds up on you, so you might not want to wear it on a daily basis, but then again that too depends on the dosage.

3-5 work for me.6-8 produced more blatant effects but way more inconsistent.

(06-04-2018 6:51 PM)DssMaster Wrote:  I’ve tried the equivalent of 4-6 drops with the roll-on, without any ghosting or OD issues, as long you remain congruent with AV’s alpha/social VIP signature. You can’t just stand there and not interact...that’s why I believe some members were not seeing anything and claim they were ghosting out with it.

What I find it does is that it builds up on you, so you might not want to wear it on a daily basis, but then again that too depends on the dosage.

Noted- I think I'll save this for occasions where there are big social gatherings with a lot of people around and break it back out then. I only have a sample vile, so I've gotta make it last anyway. Back to BW for me. And just found an old sample of DP that I totally forgot I had! Bad Cop time! Gonna be a fun day today!

Looking forward to reading your BW + DP (Bad Cop) report.