(02-15-2017 10:28 AM)Jester318 Wrote:  Already went through this entire thread and picked up a bunch of good info, but there is so much here from so many people that it can get really confusing at times. Whats wrong with RW giving us some more of his wisdom and experience? That IS why people come to these forums, isnt it? lol.

I've heard this argument time and time again. The problem with spoonfeeding noobs is the same problem with feeding a wild animal: the wild animal becomes dependent upon the spoonfeeding, usually shows no gratitude, and then the other wild animals show up to also be fed. When the spoonfeeding stops, the wild animal can no longer fend for itself.

Countless hours have gone into the 160 pages you read but did not understand. The summary of your request is "Hey, thanks for posting all of that, but I don't get it. Just give me the Cliff Notes version so I can pass the exam."

Just like using Cliff Notes to pass the exam, you might actually pass the exam, but you still have no comprehension of the underlying material, and therefore your ability to contribute back to the community is hindered. The reason people share information on here is not generally altruistic ("Hey, let's help these other guys get laid quickly because goshdarnit they deserve it!"). They're sharing because they expect reciprocity. In the past, they've received it. That's an integral part of joining a community: the give-and-take.

"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly." Spoonfeeding does not usually result in respect, gratitude, or even good behavior in return for the effort. To address your point: yes, many do come to the forums to learn. The problem is that a majority of them do not want to put in the work to learn. Worse, a vanishingly small portion of those are willing to give information back. It's been noticed by some that those who put in the effort to learn without spoonfeeding are strongly correlated with those who later reciprocate. Given all of this, it should no longer surprise you that there is an objection to spoonfeeding.

(02-15-2017 10:48 AM)BarefootOxford Wrote:  I've heard this argument time and time again. The problem with spoonfeeding noobs is the same problem with feeding a wild animal: the wild animal becomes dependent upon the spoonfeeding, usually shows no gratitude, and then the other wild animals show up to also be fed. When the spoonfeeding stops, the wild animal can no longer fend for itself.

Countless hours have gone into the 160 pages you read but did not understand. The summary of your request is "Hey, thanks for posting all of that, but I don't get it. Just give me the Cliff Notes version so I can pass the exam."

Just like using Cliff Notes to pass the exam, you might actually pass the exam, but you still have no comprehension of the underlying material, and therefore your ability to contribute back to the community is hindered. The reason people share information on here is not generally altruistic ("Hey, let's help these other guys get laid quickly because goshdarnit they deserve it!"). They're sharing because they expect reciprocity. In the past, they've received it. That's an integral part of joining a community: the give-and-take.

"What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly." Spoonfeeding does not usually result in respect, gratitude, or even good behavior in return for the effort. To address your point: yes, many do come to the forums to learn. The problem is that a majority of them do not want to put in the work to learn. Worse, a vanishingly small portion of those are willing to give information back. It's been noticed by some that those who put in the effort to learn without spoonfeeding are strongly correlated with those who later reciprocate. Given all of this, it should no longer surprise you that there is an objection to spoonfeeding.

I understood most of it yes, but from what I am seeing everybody is different in how much they use and what effects they/others experience. I'm trying to grasp this concept now, and use it for my betterment. I get what you are saying though and I do appreciate you taking the time to explain these things. Along with this thread I have also read most of AS3's journal, fascinating stuff. Probably going to go through most of the journals on this forum, as I feel I'm getting the best info there.

So again, Thanks for your input BarefootOxford

Hi folks!

New member here. Just received my AV bottle , which is scented(great service, fast and prompt. Got also DW samle, many thanks)

I tried today immediately, and I share some info:

me: white male, 38 yrs, Eastern Europe
location: gym
time: lunch time
weather: 5 C degrees, pretty rainy
dosage: 4 drops

Went to the gym, applied 20 min before. 4 drops distributed evenly on my neck and wrist. Self-effect was noticeable after 15 minutes already. Elevated mood and some kind rush to the head... Strange feeling, for sure. But enjoyed, as the weather was not rally good (very dark even at lunch time). Arrived at my local gym, pretty empty, started to work with my personal trainer (female, 26yrs). We know each other for 1 year, so nothing new. But today she shared 2 personal details...dunno if she would do the same without AV, no idea. At the gym, the friendliness was at the usual level, very few ppl around (lunch time). After 4 hours I can smell really good on my wrist. The workout itself was great, which not happens every time, as I work 80 hrs a week, and many times already tired to lift heavy weights.

So far the first impression is pretty good, I will keep testing for sure! Maybe I will go out this weekend, and definitely go to apply again, to see how it affects the behavior of the girls.

Quick question

Can you lose your friends on AV ??
It's seems like everyone exposed to AV avoid me , even text messages are harsh ......WTF ??!!

You bet! I got avoidance and lost ties with good friends and fwb from Av solo low and high levels and also Primal instinct solo from half to 2 drops . However when I started combining less than 3 inches of AV with 6-10 shots of glace or 4-6 shots of flirtxs, It was milf magnet.
It probably needs something nol heavy. One application on skin of AV lasts for 2 -3 nights on my skin even after showers. On clothes, forget about it, it will take several washes and you can od with further apps. Alcohol bases are ok for clothes in the case of p83 and p74 for me.

I have also chased many beautiful ladies away back in the day with New Pheromone Additive 2-6 dabs solo.
However when I combined New Pheromone Additive 3 dabs with 3 sprays true love and 2 shots p83 at 10mcg each it was making girls glazy eyed and made them open me with flirty smiles. AV has great potential and got long stares from attractive women aftereven 16 hours of application combined with a social like flirtxs or glace.

4 to 6 sprays or sometimes 10 sprays of a good social without too much Androsterone (alpha/serious/fatherly/status mone) each and 1-3 inches Aqua vitae work ok for me but can't get results every time consistently. The arguments with my nephew and other fights with friends were really out of the ordinary. A wonderful 8.5/10 blonde, tall, slim 32 year old girl I met at the gym while wearing 3 sprays of a sample of loveboat and p74 and p83 who was digging me became quite pissed off when I met her the next time with 12 inches of AV solo and ended up in a yelling match. I have matured and learnt a lot about not wearing androstenone solo and at lower doses.

I'm 33 btw and wearing high doses of Androstadienone and/or Androsterone products like xist or Api did not buffer AV or high none products for me either, the addition of Androstadienone made me more sappy and the addition of Androsterone made me super confrontational and not wanting to take shit from everyone and even schooled a few people who became quite petrified and apologetic with the addition or Androsterone, it was the socials that really boosted AV or other high none products for me and made them attractive, which makes perfect sense now. I have tried oxytocin with good effect as well with Aqua vitae. 1-3 inches AV on skin and 2-4 sprays true trust on shirt.
p.s When my sister's ex husband kept, calling and coming round uninvited, bullying and threatening her, I wore 2 drops of primal instinct and 4 drops old version A314 and had a stern chat with him with crazy eyes. Has not come around since in 10 years, he was 20 years older than me and very aggressive, to see him with big eyes, confused and petrified was great and proof to me also about mones back then, so these none/Androsterone types of mixes have their benefits but not for a gf in my case.
Peace.

(03-10-2017 11:41 PM)crashbandicoot Wrote:  You bet! I got avoidance and lost ties with good friends and fwb from Av solo low and high levels and also Primal instinct solo from half to 2 drops . However when I started combining less than 3 inches of AV with 6-10 shots of glace or 4-6 shots of flirtxs, It was milf magnet.
It probably needs something nol heavy. One application on skin of AV lasts for 2 -3 nights on my skin even after showers. On clothes, forget about it, it will take several washes and you can od with further apps. Alcohol bases are ok for clothes in the case of p83 and p74 for me.

I have also chased many beautiful ladies away back in the day with New Pheromone Additive 2-6 dabs solo.
However when I combined New Pheromone Additive 3 dabs with 3 sprays true love and 2 shots p83 at 10mcg each it was making girls glazy eyed and made them open me with flirty smiles. AV has great potential and got long stares from attractive women aftereven 16 hours of application combined with a social like flirtxs or glace.

4 to 6 sprays or sometimes 10 sprays of a good social without too much Androsterone (alpha/serious/fatherly/status mone) each and 1-3 inches Aqua vitae work ok for me but can't get results every time consistently. The arguments with my nephew and other fights with friends were really out of the ordinary. A wonderful 8.5/10 blonde, tall, slim 32 year old girl I met at the gym while wearing 3 sprays of a sample of loveboat and p74 and p83 who was digging me became quite pissed off when I met her the next time with 12 inches of AV solo and ended up in a yelling match. I have matured and learnt a lot about not wearing androstenone solo and at lower doses.

I'm 33 btw and wearing high doses of Androstadienone and/or Androsterone products like xist or Api did not buffer AV or high none products for me either, the addition of Androstadienone made me more sappy and the addition of Androsterone made me super confrontational and not wanting to take shit from everyone and even schooled a few people who became quite petrified and apologetic with the addition or Androsterone, it was the socials that really boosted AV or other high none products for me and made them attractive, which makes perfect sense now. I have tried oxytocin with good effect as well with Aqua vitae. 1-3 inches AV on skin and 2-4 sprays true trust on shirt.
p.s When my sister's ex husband kept, calling and coming round uninvited, bullying and threatening her, I wore 2 drops of primal instinct and 4 drops old version A314 and had a stern chat with him with crazy eyes. Has not come around since in 10 years, he was 20 years older than me and very aggressive, to see him with big eyes, confused and petrified was great and proof to me also about mones back then, so these none/Androsterone types of mixes have their benefits but not for a gf in my case.
Peace.

I'm 32 , yeah looks like AV it's a really strong stuff but it's strange that I don't see any change in my GF behavior just friends . I'm waiting for my 30 ml wolf order , with wolf everything was going smooth and I had some fun .

The second time I tried today the AV, now with just 2 drops. No self-effect this time, and cannot smell anything on my wrists after 5 hours. Jus went to 2 shops, but no ppl around, so no interaction. Tired to go out, but keep testing. But will go back to 4 drops probably.

(03-11-2017 3:31 PM)Sgt. Majorproblem Wrote:  The second time I tried today the AV, now with just 2 drops. No self-effect this time, and cannot smell anything on my wrists after 5 hours. Jus went to 2 shops, but no ppl around, so no interaction. Tired to go out, but keep testing. But will go back to 4 drops probably.

Hi, Only my 3rd post. I'm 51 year old retired Law Enforcement. I consider myself an alpha male. Many years dealing with so much stuff made me hardened and very cold. My marriage to my high school sweetheart was just about finished. The old saying " no where to run and no where to hide" ! Mones can help . They are not the answer. There is no miracle potion. It comes from deep inside. A life changing decision. Faith and getting tired from what you have become. The gym helped. I'm 5'11- 210 Lbs now. Mostly muscle. I go to the gym at least 4X a week. Started out just walking one mile a day and 100 pushups and 400 sit ups. It builds confidence ! You need to take care of yourself first and foremost ! I was 270 lbs ! A fat body ! Hated looking at myself in the mirror and I know my wife looked at me the same. It really sucked ! Depression, anger and separation. Now getting back to AV. Like so many newbies < I had the money and instead of trying one product. I got caught up in the silver bullet magic. Numerous combinations. LOL ! So I got it. My body started changing. From working out. I was able to look at myself in the mirror again. Started out with just Xist-Cohesion. Between my new confidence and going slow and steady with the mones. I noticed my wife slowly coming back and trusting me. We started to connect again. But it wasn't the mones. It was me. I took a stand and fought ! I bought AV a few months ago. Read and digested all of the previous members comments. I tried it a few times. Usually only 2 dabs. I felt very edgy. I felt that I had overdosed on too much caffeine ! I noticed my wife had become very quiet and withdrawn. I didn't like the results. For me it was a total disaster. So I shelved my AV. Fast forward 2 months. I had joined a gym. My self confidence was soaring. I was in the best shape in over 20 years. My wife was even complementing me. I was using xist 2-3, cohesion 1 and switching to GOA 2 with THU 1-2. Last week I finally broke out my AV. I started out with 2 drops along the neck and jaw line. Again edgy. After a few hours, I started feeling better. I went to the gym. I put T150 under my nose. I felt confident and extremely focused. I noticed a few women, mainly middle 30's locked on to me with intense stares, huge pupils. I was laughing to myself. One guy gave me a stare down. I locked on to him and he looked away. I went on with my workout. Two days later, knowing that my teenagers were going out for the night. I made plans with my wife to go out to dinner. We spent part of the day together. I used a combination of Raw Chemistry 3x both sides of the neck > I bought this from Amazon.com. I know there aren't too many reviews on this. I really don't know if it has any effect. But, my wife likes the smell and so do I ! 2 AV, throat and chest and P96 top of my hands. At first. Not much in effects for me. Did notice my wife's eyes pupils were huge, plus a lot of hair twirling. I think at the 2 hour mark. It hit me and hit me hard. My confidence level began to soar. I also had a hard on. My wife was in the bedroom looking over paperwork on our bed. Knowing the kids were out. I walked in on her. She gave me that look. Like a deer in the headlights. I pushed the paperwork aside and started kissing her neck. I got some resistence. Like stop the kids are coming home soon. Now this is the game changer for me. I started to talk dirty to her. Saying I'm going to lick your nipples and rip her panties off. She was laughing, blushing. She said what happened to you. My daughter came home a few minutes later. I was laughing my ass off. The two of us went out to dinner. I kept telling her how I was going to take her clothes when we got home. I never felt so much in control. She kept eyeballing me with a slight grin. By this point she has been in my cloud for a least 5 hours. She was becoming flirty and was saying that she hoped the kids weren't home. We arrive home and my teenage daughter is there but she was going out with her friends later. So I start texting my wife what I was going to do to her once my daughter left. She kept sending me happy faces. Anyway once my daughter left I headed upstairs awaiting the moment of truth. One I entered my wife basically attacked me. This is not like her. She is usually a passive girl. I usually have to take control. Both of us started to talk dirty as we were both kissing. Again I looked into my wife's dark brown eyes. They were intense. Her pupils were gigantic. She literally tore my under ware off and ripped them. The whole time I'm laughing . Anyway, I am so glad that I gave AV a second chance. It is a beast like most of the guys state. Once you learn how to steer it, you become the ultimate Alpha male. My wife is all over me now. My son and daughter< twins are going away to college next year. I told my wife that I am going to chase her around the house when they leave! Question for you old timers. I'm going away with her to Atlantic City for the weekend with my old partner and his wife. Is AV too risky around friends ? What other combos might work. I have XIST, Cohesion, Taboo, Loveboat, THU, Goa, Voodoo, New Pheromone Additive, Androstadienone , P96, TAC, Evolve and SOB. Plus my trusty AV

@BlueKnight

You have to format properly if you want others to actually read your posts.

Good luck!

(03-13-2017 2:01 PM)BlueKnight Wrote:  Is AV too risky around friends ? What other combos might work. I have XIST, Cohesion, Taboo, Loveboat, THU, Goa, Voodoo, New Pheromone Additive, Androstadienone , P96, TAC, Evolve and SOB. Plus my trusty AV

firstly... like theLaw stated .... try using paragraphs once in awhile.

if you want to try AV around friends, I would suggest combining it with xist, voodoo or p96 just to tone it down a bit. otherwise I would say just go with xist or voodoo around friends.